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Tory U-Turn
Started by: section 8 (2828)  Report abuse
"Mrs May is the best leader of this country since Thatcher." Jay

"Like people have said she has the British peoples' interest at heart. She is a very capable woman." Henry7

"So far she appears to be the best PM we have had for a long time." Spud1

"I have to say that Theresa May in her first few months of office is proving to be a fine Prime Minister." RayJamie

Slash a burn politics. Maybe a few of these think differently now a few more months on.

Posted by: broady (12037)   Report abuse
What you really mean is " have all these people now accepted your more knowledgeable train of thought" Once you have converted them you can start on the electorate in Copeland and then the rest of the country to try to arrest Labour's dismal showings in the opinion polls. There again, God forbid, you could be wrong.

Posted by: section 8 (2828)  Report abuse
I'm always right. Except for once where I thought something I'd said was wrong, but in the end I turned out to be right.



Is only a matter of time.

Posted by: jarvo (27183)  Report abuse
...Until Corbyn gives up the ghost and throws his miserable hand in...

Because if he doesn't, the Tories can do whatever they want...whenever they want.

Someone whisper in his ear...PLEASE!

Posted by: jathbee (7947) Report abuse
He has twice been voted in by the Labour Party. People have whispered in his ear and told him he is the right leader. No matter what others think.
He was democratically elected, unlike May.

Posted by: broady (12037)   Report abuse
Was the Prime Minister not elected to succeed Cameron?? I wouldn't really fancy a PM that breaks bread with Gerry Adams and Hezbollah. As a person I don't dislike him but his policies ( and yes I have read them) date back to the time of the Dodo.

Posted by: jay_1 (14703)  Report abuse
Mrs May listens to the people ..it's is a pity the Labour party and the likes of suction are unable to do that.

Long live Mrs May.

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (1226) Report abuse
Circumstances have led to Theresa May becoming PM and eventually she will have to face the electorate and so it is just as much in her interests to get things right, as it would have been for David Cameron to get things right, even though Cameron had his mandate from the people.

When it was announced yesterday in the House of Commons, that the Government had reversed the decision to raise the NI rate, would it not have been better if the Labour Party had congratulated the Conservatives for making the right decision, instead of John McDonnell making a tit of himself, by ranting away about it.

Posted by: section 8 (2828)  Report abuse
"As a person I don't dislike him but his policies ( and yes I have read them) date back to the time of the Dodo."

Which?

Jay "Mrs May listens to the people ."

So the people have been asking for cuts to the police, NHS, social & mental health care, disability and housing benefits?



Posted by: stacker lee (219) Report abuse
Jay and Tommy, You should have ended your post with the old battle cry, "Three Cheers For The Red White And Blue". The only reason why Theresa May is leader of the tory party is because nobody else would do the job. Regarding the post on this thread at 22.11 on 15th March, in the first line substitute Jarvo for Corbyn and at last we get some sense!

Posted by: jay_1 (14703)  Report abuse
suction...cuts? The the tories are spending less on the NHS?!!

More left wing lies.

Mrs May listens to the people. The Labour party tells the people they should be listening to them. A huge difference... hence May is nearly 20 point ahead of Labour in the polls.

Keep spouting your left wing bigoted nonsense. It plays right into our hands.

Posted by: nyce horse (3058) Report abuse
Most unlike smiffy , his will prevails no matter what the residents want.

WIGAN CLOWNCIL
COMICAL PLACE COMICAL PEOPLE
WE ARE THE COUNCIL, UP YOURS

Posted by: section 8 (2828)  Report abuse
"suction...cuts? The the tories are spending less on the NHS?!!"

Yes, cuts. haha, they have happened and more will happen. I know there is little point arguing with someone who's knowledge is clearly based on faith and not fact, but you are entertaining.

Who's hands? You and who else?



Posted by: jay_1 (14703)  Report abuse
NHS net expenditure (resource plus capital, minus depreciation) has increased from £75.822 billion in 2005/06 to £117.229 billion in 2015/16. Planned expenditure for 2016/17 is £120.611bn.

No wonder Suction and his cronies are nearly 20 points behind in the polls. Come on Mrs May ..call an election and lets wipe the fruitloops out.

Posted by: section 8 (2828)  Report abuse
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Posted by: section 8 (2828)  Report abuse
There are more than just monetary cuts.

No mention of the other cuts, Jay?

Posted by: jay_1 (14703)  Report abuse
So they aren't reducing NHS spending then?!!


You make it far too easy, suction.

Posted by: section 8 (2828)  Report abuse
Lol. Staff cuts & funding cuts to specific services & facilities are still cuts.


What about the other cuts? Are they a left wing myth too? Your like a typical Tory dodging an answer.

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (1226) Report abuse
Stacker Lee

I am not a Tory

Posted by: section 8 (2828)  Report abuse
Lol TTS. You sound like Nixon.

Posted by: jay_1 (14703)  Report abuse
We are spending more money that ever on the NHS. Be grateful to the Tories.

Money is reallocated. You need to stop being a bigot,suction, and give the Tories credit.

Posted by: section 8 (2828)  Report abuse
You can't hide behind inflation. I spend more on a glass of ale than i did 10 years ago. Doesn't mean I get a bigger glass.

Cuts to services & facilities that are required are still cuts.

What about the others cuts to services where the money isn't being reallocated back elsewhere?

Posted by: jay_1 (14703)  Report abuse
Oh dear. Please do some research suction. Look into the Labour party's manifesto from the last election. You are an embarrassment.

Posted by: section 8 (2828)  Report abuse
What's the labour manifesto got to do with Tory cuts today.


What about the other cuts to the Police or disability support?

Now I know how Dimbleby feels on QT.

Posted by: jay_1 (14703)  Report abuse
So do i when he is speaking to a daft lefty like Billy Bragg.

Posted by: jay_1 (14703)  Report abuse
'Labour will reject pressure to match Tory and Liberal Democrat pledges to inject an extra £8bn into the health budget, despite a warning from a former NHS chief that it faces a severe cash crisis.

Ed Miliband and Ed Balls, the shadow Chancellor, believe that such a promise would undermine Labourís attempt to win the votersí trust on the economy by making the deficit its top priority in its election manifesto.'

The NHS would have collapsed under a Labour government.

Posted by: ena1958 (6288) Report abuse
jay never ceases to amaze with the claptrap he comes out with. Educate yourself before talking absolute sh***.

Posted by: jay_1 (14703)  Report abuse
Oh dear Ena. The bigots(like you) on the left just deal in abuse and not facts. No wonder you are lagging behind on 24 per cent in the polls.

Posted by: Stardelta (5429) Report abuse
Still sticking up for UKIP jay?

What happened to that £350m they promised the NHS would get post Brexit?

FOS!

Posted by: section 8 (2828)  Report abuse
"So do i when he is speaking to a daft lefty like Billy Bragg."

Billy Bragg didn't avoid any questions. It shows the difference between human and politician.


What about the other Tory cuts, Jay? Policing & disability cuts to name a few.

Posted by: jay_1 (14703)  Report abuse
Won't we have to leave the EU first and stop paying in to be able to invest that money?

I am still waiting for economic apocalypse that IMF, Osborne and co .. told us was going to happen the day after we left.

Posted by: jay_1 (14703)  Report abuse
Oh dear suction. Please do some research. I feel like i am debating with a six year old. You are a typical,not got a clue lefty!

Posted by: laughing gravy (2126) Report abuse
if only the government would do a U turn and kick all the bloody foreigners out EH section

Posted by: basil brush (8660) Report abuse
I'm surprised the most hated poster on here hasn't mentioned disability cuts bearing in mind he said his sibling is disabled.

Posted by: section 8 (2828)  Report abuse
"I am still waiting for economic apocalypse that IMF, Osborne and co .. told us was going to happen the day after we left."

We haven't left yet, you halfwit. Classic.



Why is it so many Brexiters confuse winning a referendum on leaving the EU with actually leaving the EU.

Considering all the research they did before they voted. You'd think they would know more about the process.



Posted by: jay_1 (14703)  Report abuse
We were promised all this the day after the leave vote came in.


What a bigoted numbskull you are suction.

Posted by: gaffer (5838)   Report abuse
There have been cuts in public services but overall public spending has continued to grow albeit at a much reduced rate.
In 2000 overall public spending was £341 billion. It grew at a rate of 7% to £673 billion in 2010, a situation that was clearly unsustainable.
In 2016/7 overall public spending, still supported by borrowing,was £764 billion.
The cuts have in effect taken out the the excess spending of the previous eleven years including the recruitment of an extra 850,000 people to the public sector payroll.

Posted by: section 8 (2828)  Report abuse
Jay"We were promised all this the day after the leave vote came in"


"I am still waiting for economic apocalypse that IMF, Osborne and co .. told us was going to happen the day after we left."

Your words, Jay. Your words. Classic Jay, classic.




Gravy "if only the government would do a U turn and kick all the bloody foreigners out EH section"

So long as they don't send back all the Brits. Last thing our country needs is to kick out a million hard working foreigners and replace them with a million work shy Brits.


Posted by: jay_1 (14703)  Report abuse
Suction.. you have been exposed on every part of this thread. Do some research fella. You're an embarrassment.

Posted by: section 8 (2828)  Report abuse
"you have been exposed on every part of this thread."

Lol. Where?



Even your own comments trip you up.

We were promised all this the day after the leave vote came in"

told us was going to happen the day after we left."


Classic, Jay.






Posted by: Stardelta (5429) Report abuse
Why not try reinforcing your rehtoric Jay1 instead of just calling people names when you have nothing pertinent to say

Go on......a bright lad like you shouldn't have a problem. Nowt clever about calling someone a loony lefty every 5 mins.

BTW have you given up on UKIP now.......or are you, like several others in here just too embarrassed to mention them anymore?

Posted by: section 8 (2828)  Report abuse
UKIP, Lol @ me.

Posted by: basil brush (8660) Report abuse
the most hated poster on here getting nasty again.

Posted by: baker boy (13583) Report abuse
has an ex self employed person ,i always thought that we the self employed, did not pay enough contributions or tax.
the passing of time has not changed my opinion. many, many one man bands in particular have a very large percentage of cash, lets say opportunities that are never declared.
the extra burden on the SE would have been less than a fiver a week,any SE person who cant afford an extra fiver ,should join the dole queue or find a PAYE job.

Posted by: section 8 (2828)  Report abuse
Once again I agree with you BB. Everyone should pay a bit more tax.

Posted by: basil brush (8660) Report abuse
Even the scroungers should pay something.

Posted by: spiderwoman (798) Report abuse
I'm liking Mrs May so far. She seems like a nice woman and a strong, capable leader.

Posted by: section 8 (2828)  Report abuse
Nothing nice about cuts that affect the poor and vulnerable the most.

I think she is highly skilled in deflection, avoiding the question and disguising her parties motives. In that sense she is a great politician and much better than Corbyn in that sense.

Perhaps Labour do need a new leader who is willing to be less honest.







Posted by: baker boy (13583) Report abuse
what poor sectioned.

Posted by: section 8 (2828)  Report abuse
Is that a question? Otherwise it makes no sense at all.

Posted by: jathbee (7947) Report abuse
This was a serious thread, flea bag. Yooo have ruined it.

Posted by: baker boy (13583) Report abuse
sectioned just for you i will rephrase the question,too what poor and vulnerable do you refer.

Posted by: aussie94 (1348) Report abuse
Its all going to end in tears , not for the Tories, they and their arselickers will be ok The working people will get the rough end of the pinneapple

Posted by: GOLDEN BEAR (2639)  Report abuse
WE ALWAYS DO AUSSIE94 , One only has to look back through the history of Britain from 1920 to 2017 and if anyone with a modicum of grey matter will see that the tories have and will always tread the working class down,they can't help it.

Posted by: baker boy (13583) Report abuse
is that what happens in oz 94

Posted by: baker boy (13583) Report abuse
walshy
scroungers who are they,accord to the left wing of uk politics "scroungers" are in need of more protection in the form of increased benefits.did you mean the unemployed or the unemployable.

Posted by: broady (12037)   Report abuse
So we can deduce that the citizens of the UK like to be trodden down because despite all the comments on here the latest polls suggest the Tories will win the next election in a canter. Why is that??

Posted by: basil brush (8660) Report abuse
jathbee (7659)7,500+ Report abuse

This was a serious thread, flea bag. Yooo have ruined it.

tut, tut.

Posted by: stacker lee (219) Report abuse
Broady, the Tories will win the next election because of pure greed. People think that they are doing well when in fact the majority have so much debt it only takes an illness or redundancy to bring major problems. This preys on their minds so they hope misfortune will land on others. The landed gentry are far above such matters and even if misfortune does fall on them the old school tie is dusted down and they are back editing a newspaper!

Posted by: broady (12037)   Report abuse
So you are saying they are idiots being misled by all and sundry. That isn't a good opinion of the bulk of the electorate. Maybe they do realize what you say but don't see any alternative to the Tories. The opposition seem totally at sea at present and with every passing week become worse. People see the party at loggerheads and think if they can't run the party can I trust them to run the country.

Posted by: stacker lee (219) Report abuse
Broady, I'm not saying they are idiots at all! I am saying that cheap and easily obtainable loans and other finance, combined with the media concentrating on the lifestyles of the rich and famous has lead to vast personal debt. This means that they are on the hamster's wheel, buying takeaways because they have no time to cook (on the credit card), a family day out these days seems to be shopping (on the credit card)! All the time blaming everyone else and dreading any tax rises of any shape or form, even though they would probably gain most from them.

Posted by: priscus (5495) Report abuse
stacker lee: According to Joseph Stiglitz (Nobel-winning economist) the economic malaise of the last decade has been caused by exactly what you describe. The process is considerably underway, long before the maleficence of greedy bankers exacerbates matters.

Posted by: broady (12037)   Report abuse
I read what you say but surely they were the same under Blair/Brown. The crux is that even with all the upset caused in the NHS, cutbacks in policing, the wrong assessments of people's fitness for work, unpopular budgets etc. the Tories are still projected to have a big majority. This is where the opposition should make hay but in lots of people's eyes they just aren't capable.

Posted by: stacker lee (219) Report abuse
Broady, It has been the same since the Consumer Credit Act 1974 (Pisolivadi take note)! This was supposed to establish greater protection for consumers but opened the door for the credit companies. The problem has been exacerbated in recent times by the attitude not of "keeping up with the Joneses" but instead boasting to the Joneses about your your new 80 inch tv, Mercedes car, cruise holiday, ad nauseum!

Posted by: broady (12037)   Report abuse
I'm sorry but I don't understand the connection between what size TV you have and how you vote. I am sure there are lots of people in Wigan that have 80" TV's, new cars etc. but they are guaranteed to elect Labour at local and National level so why does it make people vote Tory elsewhere??

Posted by: Anne (2909)  Report abuse
During my childhood people talked about "hire purchase" and "buying on tick". The borrowing habits of people have been long established particularly by the "I want everything now" impatient weak willed individuals.

Posted by: stacker lee (219) Report abuse
It's not the size of the tv, it's the size of the loan along with the other credit! High personal debt means looking after number one, even when number one is the reason for the debt. On the other hand some people remember how they were brought up to help others, maybe only in small ways but small is better than not at all. They will naturally gravitate to the party that purports to do this which is why they vote Labour. Labour is a shambles at the moment but it's always harder to question oneself rather than kick someone else! Try to do good, and if you can't don't do bad!

Posted by: broady (12037)   Report abuse
Thanks for a reasoned debate Stacker. I still don't understand the correlation between debt and voting patterns but I will look in depth later in the day. As for Anne's point I am sure we were all guilty of spending what we didn't have at some time or other but maybe credit wasn't as readily available or jobs weren't as scarce. I vividly remember as a boy going to the shop on Wednesdays, or some weeks earlier, and getting things to pay for on Friday. We also had a man calling at the house weekly to pay the club money. I think we got clothes from Gunn's in Wigan and paid later. Good old days.

Posted by: baker boy (13583) Report abuse
the masses are always seen as downtodden,dont dare tell me the masses under joe stalin where not under the heel.

Posted by: section 8 (2828)  Report abuse
Baker "too what poor and vulnerable do you refer."


I'm not rightly able to comprehend such confusion of ideas, that could provoke such a question.

Posted by: basil brush (8660) Report abuse
does Kipling actually live in the real world?

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (1226) Report abuse
Quote: Tommy Two Stroke: 16th March 2017: 07.25

"Circumstances have led to Theresa May becoming PM and eventually she will have to face the electorate and so it is just as much in her interests to get things right, as it would have been for David Cameron to get things right, even though Cameron had his mandate from the people.

When it was announced yesterday in the House of Commons, that the Government had reversed the decision to raise the NI rate, would it not have been better if the Labour Party had congratulated the Conservatives for making the right decision, instead of John McDonnell making a tit of himself, by ranting away about it"


Now you know why they did the U-Turn on the budget NI Increase, when it was pointed out that it was an [[[ELECTION]]] pledge not to raise it ....


 
 
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