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Started by: GOLDEN BEAR (6555) 

Did any one see breakfast time on tv the other morning corbyn was on the couch /sofa,he was asked about his u-turn on immigrants he has diluted down his view of not having any checks on how many can come into Britain. But what followed next was a most astonishing remark. "He said he sees himself as the next Prime Minister" in 2020 does he not listen to what most people up north or North of Watford Gap actually think of him or his policies?The amount of people i have read on here and in the national press it is very alarming to me that Labour Party that we grew up with has completely lost it's way under his leadership. I do not profess to be very clever but realise that unless this guy goes then it will be decades before we ever get a Labour goverment in power again. As anyone got any other views on this topic?.

Started: 10th Jan 2017 at 19:06

Posted by: jarvo (30250) 

He's no leader. But neither is the current prime minister.

Replied: 10th Jan 2017 at 19:08

Posted by: mortarmillbill (926)

The Labour party has had it.

None of their MPs are listening to the electorate.

Replied: 10th Jan 2017 at 19:34

Posted by: elmos (2784) 


The Labour party had lost its way long before corbyn
Was demacraticly voted leader twice,he has not aquired
The leadership skills needed yet.🇬🇧

Replied: 10th Jan 2017 at 19:59

Posted by: section 8 (2875) 

"The amount of people i have read on here and in the national press"

There lies your problem.

Do you know how long Corbyn has been leader?

Perhaps Labour may get more votes if they bring in someone who is better at lying to the electorate.

Corbyn is making Labour far more like the Labour, you grew up with.

Replied: 10th Jan 2017 at 20:33
Last edited by section 8: 10th Jan 2017 at 21:28:37

Posted by: cordyline (5350) 

Jarvo
He's no leader. But neither is the current prime minister

I like Mrs May; a great person imho

Replied: 10th Jan 2017 at 20:45
Last edited by cordyline: 10th Jan 2017 at 20:48:50

Posted by: jarvo (30250) 

...But NOT a leader.

She couldn't lace Thatcher's boots.

Replied: 11th Jan 2017 at 00:21

Posted by: jathbee (11463)

He is a true socialist and was voted in twice by the Labour Party, at grass roots. The parliamentary mp's could no accept the majority vote and tried to oust him. It didn't work and democracy prevailed. Carry on Jeremy, you have my support, show these idiots what socialism means.

Replied: 11th Jan 2017 at 00:42

Posted by: chris southworth (632)

No jathbee, he wasn't voted in by the grass roots. The grass roots are the millions of Labour voters throughout the country. They had no say in it at all. But they will have come the next election when they cast their votes at other than the Labour lot and as a result Corbyn will be out on his ear.

Replied: 11th Jan 2017 at 09:13

Posted by: jarvo (30250) 

...Yes he was.

Replied: 11th Jan 2017 at 09:26

Posted by: gaffer (7929) 

The Labour movement we grew up with didn't have to face the challenges of globalisation and mass migration. It had the room to manoeuvre on redistribution of wealth. Nobody has yet worked out how a social democratic party can appeal to the masses when there's little or no opportunity for wealth redistribution.
Jeremy Corbyn has a difficult problem shaping a policy on free movement of people. The top 25 areas voting remain and the top 25 areas voting out for Brexit are labour held parliamentary seats.

Replied: 11th Jan 2017 at 09:57

Posted by: billy (26053) 

this guy is the weakest link ive ever known in a socialist gov....if it weren't for the commie union leaders(they voted him in) and you can see why when the clown talks about joining the picket lines????yeah right...weve been here before aint we?or does the al;fresco jath not remember that far back???????

Replied: 11th Jan 2017 at 16:51

Posted by: baker boy (15718)

sectioned
I have a first class man waiting in the wings, well used to the rigours of deceiving the public and downright prefabricating his truth's .
that man's name, BLIAR.

Replied: 11th Jan 2017 at 20:41

Posted by: baker boy (15718)

gaffer
bet the top 25 remain seats are all southern based,the northern ones voted quite rightly for brexit.
old labour working class people, a million miles from the elite degree holding socialist's who hold at least middle class status.
the aspirations and hopes of a new future for the working class flies straight over the elites heads.

Replied: 11th Jan 2017 at 20:47

Posted by: jathbee (11463)


Posted by: chris southworth (473)100+ Report abuse
No jathbee, he wasn't voted in by the grass roots. The grass roots are the millions of Labour voters throughout the country. They had no say in it at all. But they will have come the next election when they cast their votes at other than the Labour lot and as a result Corbyn will be out on his ear.

Replied: 11th Jan 2017 at 09:13
He was voted in by the members of the Labour Party, of which I am one. You can't get more grass roots than me.

Replied: 11th Jan 2017 at 23:34

Posted by: section 8 (2875) 

Your a typical example of the working class being their own worst enemy, BakerB.

You marginally won a referendum by 2%. Your views don't represent the country.

PS: Liverpool, Manchester and Leeds voted remain. You don't represent the north either.

Replied: 11th Jan 2017 at 23:39

Posted by: jathbee (11463)


Posted by: billy (25539) View billy's page10,000+ Report abuse

this guy is the weakest link ive ever known in a socialist gov....if it weren't for the commie union leaders(they voted him in) and you can see why when the clown talks about joining the picket lines????yeah right...weve been here before aint we?or does the al;fresco jath not remember that far back???????

Replied: 11th Jan 2017 at 16:51

You just can't help it can you?
I will let this one go. Don't expect me to do it again.

Replied: 11th Jan 2017 at 23:40

Posted by: jathbee (11463)

Section 8. It was still won. And now we leave the EU. It was a majority vote albeit 2%.

Replied: 11th Jan 2017 at 23:42
Last edited by jathbee: 11th Jan 2017 at 23:56:25

Posted by: section 8 (2875) 

I'm all for that Jath, but thats as far as the powers of the Brexiter goes.

It is this assumption by Brexiters to think their views represent the country as a whole due to a 2% referendum victory. 48% voted to remain and keep the free movement of people. I think it's assumed that the 48% don't exist anymore, but they do.

A party shouldn't change it's values to follow the people. It's the people who need to change to follow the party.


Replied: 12th Jan 2017 at 12:59

Posted by: gaffer (7929) 

The referendum result in England was 53.4% leave and 46.6% remain.
Scotland voted 62% remain.

Replied: 12th Jan 2017 at 14:57

Posted by: billy (26053) 

remember the last time the scots had independence??? they dabbled in the European money markets and got badly beaten up through lack of experience...yeah back to Whitehall and knockin like crazy on paliaments door to take em back into the fold.....the latest numb nut sturgeon was gambling on oil revenues to sustain her brand of independence??????oil revenues ya say darling?????????oil prices are on the deck more times than not these days.

Replied: 13th Jan 2017 at 15:43

Posted by: whups (13119) 

i know 1 thing that if people dont get behind the labour party & the tories get another 5 yrs there will be no NHS.

Replied: 13th Jan 2017 at 15:50

Posted by: mortarmillbill (926)

Whups

Perhaps people will get behind labour again when they state what they are going to do about immigration.

Replied: 13th Jan 2017 at 15:57

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (15202)

whups

In the 1980's the Labour Party became 'unelectable' because the Labour Party went to the left and like it or lump it this is not a politically left leaning country and the Labour Party as gone to the left again and is now 'unelectable' (again) and the results of these upcoming by elections is going to be interesting, in regards to how popular the Labour Party will be shown to be

Replied: 13th Jan 2017 at 17:16

Posted by: GOLDEN BEAR (6555) 

I am making a guess here so don't get ready with the slinging axes. I want to know has this unelectable guy corbyn ever been north of birmingham?? if he has how many times and where?'I just do not know where he stands or for what,i know people did not care for blair or brown but at least you knew what they stood for and did get out and about but this guy WELL.
The latest nail in the Labour coffin is that another M.P. has jumped ship, and that's TRISTRAM HUNT STANDS DOWN IN STOKE-ON TRENT -CENTRAL he must have realised that with the present leader Labour will never see Downing Street again for at the least a few decades ,corbyn is akin to MAY he has not a clue at running the party just as Teresa may does not or doesn't know what happening to our wonderful N.H.S .They are both inept.

Replied: 13th Jan 2017 at 17:27

Posted by: gaffer (7929) 

Labour lost a council election in their Sunderland stronghold last night. The Lib Dems took 45% of the vote to Labour's 25%. The last time the seat was contested Labour took over 50% of the vote and the Lib Dems 5%.

Replied: 13th Jan 2017 at 19:18

Posted by: Handsomeminer (2704)

100% right whups even 2tugs can't find a sensible comment to argue with you

Replied: 13th Jan 2017 at 20:52

Posted by: broady (inactive)

Remember Burnham ruling during the Staffs. Hospitals crisis?? The problem with the NHS transcends party politics. Badly run being one point. Due to levels of unfettered Immigration lots more people seeking treatment, paying security because of drunks/ smack heads, giving out Aspirin etc. on prescriptions. People refusing to die at 65, no places for patients to go when they can leave hospital but not return home. The list is endless. Maybe worth considering stopping building hospital, runways, lining African despots pockets and spend it in the UK.

Replied: 13th Jan 2017 at 21:02
Last edited by broady: 13th Jan 2017 at 21:25:42

Posted by: Handsomeminer (2704)

Whups post still totally correct

Replied: 14th Jan 2017 at 10:33

Posted by: grimshaw (3983) 

whups post absolutely spot on

Replied: 14th Jan 2017 at 10:47

Posted by: billy (26053) 

Corbyn giving a speech about now......lets hope it aint double talk like all his other nonsensible prattle.

Replied: 14th Jan 2017 at 10:58

Posted by: Handsomeminer (2704)

I've no doubt 100 years ago people were saying the Labour Party has no chance of being elected and we will never have a national health service or old age pensions and many of the other things we now take for granted that were fought hard for,well done UKIP ,lib dem voters and Tony's Blair for giving power to this bunch and let's not forget the 10 Bob millionaires who vote Tory ,unfortuanately I think the Labour Party will come back to prominence because things are on the verge of hitting rock bottom

Replied: 14th Jan 2017 at 15:24

Posted by: broady (inactive)

If the people agree with the Tommy Tin gang they will obviously vote Labour. If a Tory government get elected the electorate either disagree or aren't bothered. As I said I think the problems transcend Party Politics. Labour weren't exactly a roaring success running the NHS.

Replied: 14th Jan 2017 at 15:32

Posted by: Handsomeminer (2704)

Broady you ran intelligent man do you disagree with whups statement

Replied: 14th Jan 2017 at 22:49

Posted by: broady (inactive)

I have no idea to be honest. My solution scrap overseas aid and look after your own. For the record I think the old distinction between Labour and Tories has all but disappeared. Corbyn is the Tories best weapon to retain power.

Replied: 14th Jan 2017 at 23:38

Posted by: billy (26053) 

YUP

Replied: 15th Jan 2017 at 13:07

Posted by: baker boy (15718)

SECTIONED
what a first class hypocrite you really are.
if your man corbyn had have won two percent more than Cameron in 2015,labour would, through their constituency adjustments have had a landslide.hypocrite ,hypocrite and thrice a hypocrite.
what percentage of the populace where "persuaded" by the downright lies from the remain (its good for me) brigade to vote for staying in a discredited organisation.
an organisation full of corruption,stupidity and self importance,who care not for Europe but themselves and their power over Europe.
what would you say sectioned 10 or 20 percent of voters cowed by their betters eg the cbi and bank of englands know it alls and politicians with no brains or courage.
lets see what the French,germans and dutch think of Europe in their elections later this year.
do you think marie le pen will not press the exit button ,if her party comes to power.

Replied: 16th Jan 2017 at 13:46
Last edited by baker boy: 16th Jan 2017 at 14:02:56

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (15202)

Some of yoo lot don't like hearing the truth and the truth is that if Corby is still Labour leader, then the Tories will walk it at the next General Election with Theresa May winning by a landslide with over a 200 seat majority ...

Replied: 16th Jan 2017 at 13:58

Posted by: jay_1 (14715) 

I'll be voting Tory or UKIP whichever i judge to have the best chance. Labour are a disgrace to the people they were created to represent.

Replied: 16th Jan 2017 at 14:09

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (15202)

It is same thing all over again, the bloody unions are ruining everything

Replied: 16th Jan 2017 at 14:38

Posted by: GOLDEN BEAR (6555) 

Hello tommy hope your keeping well , so here we go i have to disagree with your comment on "unions are ruining everything"
I do not believe ANY union has the will,or guts for a fight any more and ok your probably going to tell me about the railway bother down south that one i totally agree with you cant run a safe service with no guards aslo its not money its job saving that's what they want on that issue.

Now unless iv'e been on the moon TOM where are all the other problems? Like it or not ( i think you like it) one Maggie THATCHER smashed the unions fact! personnaly i will support strikes not for money but saving of jobs yes by gum! But it is all getting out of hand in the country toady and i don't know how its going to turn out.
AS for handsomeminer)) i think 100 years ago with due respect i do not believe the working people knew about things like N.H.S. /PENSION'S ECT:: I MEAN Labour had not been born they only came along in the 20s it was also just after the slaughter butchery of WW 1 so i don't think we can compare LABOUR PARTY FROM THE 20s as to today finally to get back to the corbyn problem for Labour until he stands down then we are going to be a 1 one party country!

Replied: 16th Jan 2017 at 16:01

Posted by: fedup (231)

Was it Einstein's definition of insanity? Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting something different to happen! Why vote Labour?

Replied: 16th Jan 2017 at 16:06

Posted by: baker boy (15718)

where his sectioned when you want him ,being sectioned.

Replied: 16th Jan 2017 at 19:13

Posted by: Handsomeminer (2704)

GB the independent Labour Party ( the forerunners of the Labour Party ) had people standing for parliament before 1900 ,the Labour Party had MPs before the start of ww1

Replied: 16th Jan 2017 at 19:41

 

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