Marus Bridge ex roundabout

Is your journey any quicker?

Overall mine is slower.

My opinion not a good investment.

I totally agree with you and coming from you. a professional driver who is using the roads day in and out your opinion should be valuable and listened to by the planners who have spent £millions on a so called 'improvement' than has no benefit to the road user, It has only benefited the contractor and the brown enveloped receivers of this council, the people who have planned this massive project would not have done so if they were to put up the money them selves, WE, the tax payer should have some kind of rebate to a failed project such as this ,

Surely roundabouts are much better at managing traffic flow than traffic lights .
I thought this had been proven in Milton Keynes?
Wigan is a bottleneck these days

Personally I feel they did a massively difficult job quickly and as safely as could be expected. Marus Bridge is a busy junction, whether controlled by lights or roundabout and there's going to be a wait whichever way you approach it.

"there's going to be a wait whichever way you approach it."

SO WHY BOTHER?????

Kweyt Reyt Hossy, because prior to this conversion you could cruise through the roundabout at 60 at any time of the day with no sight of a jam from any direction

Couldn't you ?

"there's going to be a wait whichever way you approach it."

"there's going to be a wait whichever way you approach it."

"there's going to be a wait whichever way you approach it."

You really are a silly, bitter little Hoss

Hossy for Mr Angry

Go Hossy
Go Hossy
Go hossy

Follow the yellow brick road.

not quite a full house

And yet, here you are,as usual, with another of your contributions across such a varied range of topics, you're a one man inspiration to us all

Thanks Hossy

Thossy

Thank you

Truly inspirational

Had an exiting christmas than

..exCiting*..

Well I like it.

I like it too

fartblood you must really be a slow driver anyway cos its taken you a week to ge back from stoke!!

Complete contradictions on show when one minute the council are removing the roundabout at Marus Bridge and then the next minute removing the lights and installing a roundabout at the bottom of Wigan Road in Leigh (where the Sportsman pub once stood) which seems to have improved that junction massively.

Which proves that one size doesn't fit all I guess ?

inceywinceylatic

The removal of the Marus Bridge roundabout, is part of the new link road scheme and is really designed to direct and speed the traffic along Warrington Road to the new roundabout opposite Little Lane, where the new link road will run from

has someone who lives very close to that junction its slower,one bit that comes up for criticism is the run off from poolstock lane to anywhere southbound the slip road is far too far out, and controlled by the lights, totally unnecessary to do so .just asking traffic to filter would have been much quicker.traffic queues are much the same, if not longer.
how much did this reappraisal cost,anyone got the sums up their sleeves ready to post.

i know Sir Bob what is going on at Marus Bridge. I can virtually spit onto the junction from my front door.

inceywinceylatic

Oh well if you know what's happening there, then is no point in me telling you is there, cos you already know, because you are a clever cloggs

bakerboy

There is no point in me telling you anything is there, it's like watching that BBC program 'Pointless'

Could it end up like the Council; cock up at Hindley?

fireplace:
"Could it end up like the Council; cock up at Hindley?"

I would hope not

When it is finished I am going to go and take a photograph of it and have it enlarged and framed and I am going to put it on my bedroom wall, so that when I wake up in a morning, it will be the very first thing I will see when I open my eyes

It will give you nightmares

So here we have a conflict of two of the boroughs most prolific taxi drivers,
the question is, has the new junction improved our journey,

fireplace says NO
knighthood Robert says YES,

the conlooosion I draw from that is,

fireplace drives a lot more through the junction than knighthood Robert

Two men at the peak of their profession differ so nothing down for mere mortals. My brother lives in Winstanley and when I asked he he just said " it's OK"

Correct Tomplum

the unanswered $65,000 question is

is the difference ( if there is any) worth the £millions of tax payers money spent,

We all pay out of our earning £20% tax £10% NI and another £20% on EVERYTHING we buy, thats half our income,

should we allow others to spend our money on projects like this without proved results,,

what do yous say to that ,

Maybe it's as much about safety as speed? I certainly feel a LOT safer there than I did before.

Getting onto the roundabout from Winstanley was like summat out of Indian Jones and t'Temple o'Doom!

I agree with Oy

And your clutches will last a bit longer too, instead of having to scutch off when there was a gap in traffic on roundabout

Yes I agree with oy too, I drive on average 2,500 to 3000 miles a month, I live near St Aidan's so most of my journeys take me through Marus Bridge junction and one thing it has stopped is idiot drivers coming down from Sainsbury's direction, getting to the roundabout and indicating left as if to turn into Highfield Grange Ave but then going straight on because the buffoons don't know how to behave at a roundabout.

I'll let you know next week.....

...Hic...

Happy New Year Jarvo. You annoy the pluck out of me but I really think you are a sound guy.

...I tell it as it is, Broady...No b------t.

Happy new Leap Year to you too...

There is no way the cost can ever be justified.

summat out of Indiana jones, don't remember that roundabout.

Well Hitler will be happy now

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDVJLfICILo

they've tracked down the lads that did the
damage and they won't come back to sort it out,

but you can't blame the lads for working for a living, Its this mon Jimmy and all his cronnies in the road planning we need to blame.

sad ,but very likely true

And now you can sit stopped at a red light when there's not another vehicle in sight.

You can admire the lovely scenery.

next week will tell, Tuesday onwards once schools are back in...

aaaaarrrrrggggghhhhhhh

well I had high hopes for this as I pass through twice a day
am: no problem along Poolstock for left turn to motorway
pm: joined the exit queue half way up the M6 slip road!
the problem being the right hand lane of the dual carriageway of the A49 is hardly moving as traffic attempts to turn right into Poolstock
re-think on light timings methinks....teething problem? lets hope so

what time pm Wigvet? I had no probs 4.30ish...

today 4.07 pm join queue at bottom of worsley mesnes drive,allowed out by kind motorist, solid as far has I could see towards wigan and the bridge of sighs.
at 4.11 pm we did not go up towards marus bridge as it was solid .instead turned down carr lane over the bloody speed bumps,bumped along Cllr rotherhams use of his allowance .my wife does not like to be jogged about on those things,but needs must. 4 minutes to do half a mile,average speed 7.5 mph.what an improvement,dread being out on school days.

6.15 tonight the queue on the M6 slip road was about 200 yards past the fishing lodges.

For the umpteenth time, the junction modification is part of the new link road scheme, it has not been done to improve traffic flows, all you can hope for is that it does not make the traffic flow worse until the new link road is built, why won't you thicko's not be told that, you thick stupid, moronic sods.

In that case Sir Bob build the link road first and put peak time traffic lights at the island.

gaffer

According to the plans, when the link road is built, traffic will then be discouraged from using Poolstock Lane to get to Wigan from Marus Bridge, by a variety of measures, so lets say that is successful and most of the traffic coming down from the motorway is going to head straight on at the island and go towards the link road in Goose Green and traffic which at present comes down Highfield Grange Avenue, in order to go into Wigan along Poolstock Lane, doesn't bother to do so, because it can't, instead it will go down Billinge Road/Victoria Street, so in that case once the link road is built and Poolstock Lane is blocked off or whatever they do to stop traffic using it, then if you think about it, the roundabout will become 'defunct' because most of the traffic will be going straight on through on to Warrington Road at Goose Green.

So if they did what you said and built the new link road first and as a result of the new link road being built even more traffic comes off the motorway at junction whatever it is and THEN they decided to remove the roundabout 'BECAUSE IT IS THEN IN THE WAY OF TRAFFIC' folk would then be saying

"Thick Wigan Council"

"Stupid Wigan Council"

"WHY didn't Wigan Council not remove roundabout before they built the new link road"

Do you know something, things this make me embarrassed to be a Wiganer, no wonder Wigan is a Music Hall.

THICK, THICK, THICK, THICK, THICK, STUPID, THICK, MORONIC, THICK, STUPID, THICK, YOU REALLY ARE A THICK, STUPID, THICK, IGNORANT, LOW INTELLIGENT, LOW IQ, LOW EVERYTHING PEOPLE

..... you forgot RUDE as well, you're RUDE as well.

what's up Mr. Grumpy, 2016 not started as you wanted ?

Not in the New Year's Honours list again ? (for services to wind-up and post-hijacking). I see it's still 'sir' with a small 's'

Maybe you could explain better with an annotated FING Map ?

Adolf(as always}ain't too impressed either!

Link{Bad language abound)

... and here's a message for ...

For Sir Rude Bob

sir bob,
" the proof of the pudding is in the eating" We are all eating the pudding now and it tastes awfull, and it will get WORSE not better in 2/3 years time when the link road is running because a major alternative will close (poolstock lane) ,

sir bob the most selfish poster on WW ?,first point BOB ,you obviously don't live anywhere near the bridge of sighs ,two how dare you call people thick,AND IN CAPITALS.
GRAMMAR ON THESE PAGES IS OF TREMENDOUS IMPORTANCE.
why do you continue to embarrass yourself with comments you don't experience,yet slag off the poor sods who have to endure wmbc's cock up's.
the amount of cash that's been spent on the bridge of sighs would have been far better put to good use putting the link road in first.
journey times are no faster and in certain directions bloody slower,finally i'm not thick i'm brainless,for putting up with




you!.

Mr Kipling's a feisty little bugger this morning

less of the little

You want a measuring contest ?

73 inches tall chest unexpanded 47

Unlucky ducky, I have an inch and 2 inches on you (Ooooer missus etc)

I know nothing about the 'bridge of sighs'. but when the new Orrell slip junction was first opened the new traffic lights were a shambles. However now that they have been properly programmed the junction itself is better than ever but is limited by the Fleet street lights at peak times.
It is worth knowing that the lights are not managed by the GMTU but by the regional motorway guys.

India are taking the right steps, they realize tinkering with roads is futile the problem is, there are too many cars, So they have halved the cars on the road overnight by only allowing cars with odd numbered reg plates travel and the next day even numbered reg plates, anyone caught on the road when they should't gets fined,
thats the way to go,limit the cars,

They've tried that in a few European countries to ease pollution and found people buying older second cars with opposite numbered reg's which were more polluting!

RE; Orrell slip junction.
They have solved the problem by leaving the lights at the bottom of the slip road switched off, when it was first finished and they turned them on traffic was backing up to Carnegie Library in the mornings.

I don't care what anyone says. I still like it and I do use it.

sir bob said:
"THICK, THICK, THICK, THICK, THICK, STUPID, THICK, MORONIC, THICK, STUPID, THICK, YOU REALLY ARE A THICK, STUPID, THICK, IGNORANT, LOW INTELLIGENT, LOW IQ, LOW EVERYTHING PEOPLE"

I missed a word out the other night

GORMLESS

bob
witty to the nth degree.zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Short Sited, Nincompoops

It was backed up to the Tippings pub at 3.12pm

A waste of money

Fireplace

And like I said to you, I turned out of St Pauls Avenue into Poolstock Lane at about 3.45pm and I went straight to the junction and traffic was flowing freely from Poolstock Lane and up the duel carriageway, and like I said to you the only traffic which seemed to be waiting, was the traffic on Warrington Road, waiting to traverse the junction and go up the duel carriageway towards the motorway

Fireplace

You can tell that you and tomplum went to the same school

yes sir bob a good education stands out a mile, yooo can't even spel,

Tom

Sir Bob must be thinking of a shoot out. Duel (dual) carriageway.

he can't count either, poolstock lane is gridlocked at that time, bumper to bumper. they need to snyc the new lights to carr lane lights as when the schools come out the lights are on green but no one can go,

To get on to Hawkley you have to now queue to turn down Poolstock or do a dangerous U-turn, then you have to queue again to turn down Carr lane at lights that let about two cars through at a time as it doesn't have a filter lane.

sir bob the know it all
bet your glad you live in scholes, marsh green or any other damn place, than near that goosed up junction.

baker boy

I live in Worsley Mesnes, near to that wonderful multilane, traffic light controlled junction, which used to be known as Bottom Island, Marus Bridge

you live in worsley mesnes and call it bottom island hollyhocks.no person who ever lived in that district ever called it owt but lane ends.liar,liar pants on fire.

baker boy

Are you pissed, you sound like you are

So now Mr Kipling knows (or no's, depending on 'some people') every single person who has ever lived in Worsley Mesnes.

I lived on Idiot Drive () years ago and never knew anyone who called it lane ends.

pissed off with your prattling on about a subject you no jack about, bob a job.
if has you state you live in worsley mesnes ,one, you never comment about your marus bridge experiences,other posters on here know the truth ,your just an annoyance.
two, if has you have posted,live in the district and your bottom island comment tells me your telling large porkies,then let us have your address on worsley mesnes.

baker boy

In a bad mood then,,, that is what a hangover does to you, yoo should not have gotten so pissed last night and then you would been in a better mood today

Yeah Bob,tell all the cranks on here exactly where you live.

Half baked boy.

lets ask why is a roundabout better

this ia why

I went to Wigan on Saturday afternoon, 3.00. First time for ages! I got straight through the new lights, no problem.
On the way back, the lights were on red and, although the queue was short, I had quite a long wait before they let me through.

Mr Plum

The reason roundabouts are being replaced all over the country, with traffic lights is because ...

1. Traffic management, the traffic flow can be controlled electronically, by computer and remotely by CCTV so that as events unfold, the traffic flowing through the junction, can be adjusted to respond to those events, you cannot control the traffic flow through a roundabout and each electronically controlled traffic light junction, is operated as part of an integrated traffic management system, for a town or city.

2. Roundabouts only work properly, if the traffic flow approaching the roundabout, is equal from all directions.

3. Pedestrians and cyclists can be accommodated safely at traffic light controlled junctions, roundabouts can be dangerous places for pedestrians and cyclists.

For junctions which are not mega busy, I think roundabouts are ideal

thank you sir bob for that explaination, can you further explain then, why is Poolstock Lane now bumper to bumper with traffic from 8.00am to 9.30am and 2.45pm till 6.45pm ?

it was't that bad before the the smart lights took over

You tell him tom

tomplum

But traffic isn't bumper to bumper with traffic from 8.00am to 9.30am and 2.45pm till 6.45pm

oh no? I'll make a video tomorrow for ya

It was bumper to bumper right down to St. Judes last Wednesday at about 3.15 pm.

And was it never bumper to bumper at 3.15pm when the roundabout was there, noting that at that time, it is kicking out time at about nine schools around that area

tomplum

"oh no? I'll make a video tomorrow for ya "

Brilliant, I hope it's a good one

sir bob
its obvious you lied through your teeth on your post "I live in worsley mesnes.
what tom plum and jamse have posted is true every day.
you deserve to be thrown off the forum for lying.

And yet, I lived on Worsley Mesnes, and never heard it referred to as what you say 'everyone' on Mesnes refers to it as.

baker boy

Are you still pissed

Been through there twice this morning, Poolstock Lane turning right into Warrington Road, first 8.20am straight through to traffic lights, no traffic waiting and I waited less than 30 seconds before they changed and I turned right onto Warrington Road, second at about 9.30am and I went straight to the traffic lights again, two cars in front of me waiting to turn right on to Warrington Road and waited about 50 seconds before traffic lights changed.

I am now coming to the conclusion (and I said that I would wait and see how things panned out there) I think that the traffic lights are a massive improvement on the roundabout, because the traffic is 'controlled' now, by clever (smart) traffic lights

In this instance 'Smart' means that the lights are controlled by humans assisted by computers in Manchester.

gaffer

Funny you mention that because I have been giving it some thought and is the new junction, linked up to Manchester and are the lights at Wheatleigh (sainsburys) and the lights at Clap Gate Lane and Smithy Brook Road, are they linked up to Manchester, with the associated traffic flow sensors ?

Sir Bob

All of the traffic lights are controlled by GM.They synchronise groups of lights to either improve the flow of traffic or slow it down.
You may recall the cock up in Higher Ince two or three years ago when the lights were out of action for a few days during resurfacing.
When the contractors removed the old surface they cut through, by design, the sensor cables. GM lights control hadn't been advised by WMBC that the work was taking place and thus wasn't ready to replace the cables.

gaffer

I know the concept is for traffic lights to be linked to Manchester, who can then adjust the traffic light timings to the prevailing traffic conditions and I realise that Manchester is in charge of all the traffic lights, but I wonder that in Wigan's case, just which traffic lights in the Borough, can actually be controlled directly from the Manchester control room.

I keep going through the junction at various times and in various directions,I keep getting through very smoothly with, at times, a perfectly acceptable wait given the volume of traffic

If UKIP or The Independents had taken control of our Council I assume everything would be deemed to be tickety boo and a great improvement on what was a shocking roundabout ?

walter

I agree

I wonder what is up with that tomplum

Haters gonna hate

' hater' moi , uncalled for that walter, the singin' plumber who can't smile wide enough is telling like it is, You might pass through once in a while when the sun is shining and the birds are singing, but a mans worthwhile if he can smile while sitting in a traffic jam,

Walter

Most of the work is outside of the control of Wigan MBC but I think it's fair to say that if responsibility for roads was as it was pre 1974 then the M58 M61 link would have been completed 20 or more years ago.
The 1974 Local Government changes led to the break up of the most effective transport planning and implementation team in the country. This was backed up in Parliament by a committed group of over 50 MP's.

One of major faults is this a picture tells a thousand words,

Laat time I checked I was as entitled to my opinion,based on my own experiences, as everyone else

yep, same as everyone else,

but your opinion and experience is the 'correct one ' ?

" the singin' plumber who can't smile wide enough is telling like it is, You might pass through once in a while when the sun is shining and the birds are singing, "

I pass through on average 6 times a day, 4 days a week, 4 of them at 'rush hour'

Opinions eh ?

6 times a day, really ? I bow down to your travelling experiences I would't have thought there was time to go through there that many times in the same day,

I know a 'rush hour' is neither an hour nor is anyone rushing, its a term we use, so i'll allow for that fact as it would not be possible for you to go throu the juction 4 times in the hour,, Even though I must say you are doing more miles than sir bob and he's a taxi driver,

Not every day,I do some volunteering type work which takes me through that area on a very regular basis and I stand by my experience of it, much better than before

and I stand by my everyday and doorstep experience that the queues on Poolstock Lane are longer than before And I've shown the reason why in that short clip,
Is it £millions better, that's the $64000 question,

tomplum

Will you sit down please

Now listen or should I say read this very carefully

The new junction is designed to encourage traffic to use Warrington Road, instead of Poolstock Lane and I think that is why there is not really much of a slip road, on the left turn on to Warrington Road at the end of Poolstock Lane, because it has been designed that way, so use Warrington Road instead and stop complaining about it

Just been through again, sweet as a nut for the time of day

sir bob thank you for repeatedly polly parroting that Poolstock Lane is not in the 'big screen' of the planners design for Wigans highways of 2018,

This is 2016 and there is an every increasing traffic growth, Lots choose to go the Poolstock lane route because its more direct and does not have a narrow bridge as a place to stop and admire the view when a 30 ton truck comes at you in the opposite direction,

The start of this thread is ' is your journey any quicker" started by your mate, and mine fireplace,

Coming from Wigan I go down Poolstock Lane, So my journey is not quicker, yours is because you turn off 1 mile before the junction, your journey should be the same time so we will never agree,

I don't think that Skew Bridge is the reason traffic uses Poolstock Lane, it is more direct if you are going to be going under Chapel Lane bridge and all destinations beyond that and historically Poolstock Lane as been a way of avoiding the bottleneck at the Saddle

EXACTLY,,,,,I'll rest my case there,

Travelled from Bryn towards sainsburys at 5.45 and it wasn't a pretty sight.backed up all way down th slip road,only time it's like that is when there's an accident or lane closed on Warrington rd

funny that,,walter sailed throu ' sweet as a nut'. We must be getting confused somewhere

why would any person listen to possibly the worst road ab/users on the planet,taxi drivers.

tomplum
sweet as a nut ,more like fell out of his tree.

tomplum:

"funny that,,walter sailed throu ' sweet as a nut'. We must be getting confused somewhere"

So you think that everyone who is travelling through the new junction freely and without any holdups, that is not actually the case and they are in fact getting confused and perhaps they are 'dreaming' of getting through that junction without any holdups

you're just a cheeky chap sir bob, if you drove your taxi as much as you're on here, you would be aware, like your fellow drivers are, that the new junction is not an improvement for the motorist, it is at best every bit as good as the island was in off peak times but a good deal worse at peak times,

tomplum

Rubbish, it is clearly a big improvement on the roundabout and the way you talk (or should I say type) you wouldn't think that there were ever any holdups when the roundabout was there and it is a lot better now and it is not even finished yet, never mind new link road not being built yet

No improvement what so ever.

A waste of tax payers money. FACT

tom and fp
I don't believe for a second, he(sb) has been anywhere near marus bridge since the millennium.
sb his posting bs!

I think sir bob knows full well the new junction falls well short of an improvement but he's trying to see good in everything ans everyone, he's like a 'born again taxidriver', while ALL the other taxi drivers gather in groups and talk about real things, he trys to see light when there is dark,sweet when others see bitter and roses when others see weeds, he's one of lifes dreamers in his own little bubble wearing those rose tinted glasses,
WAKE UP BOB its your tax money they're squandering

tomplum

Well I just stick to the facts, but you are rabbiting on about 'born again taxi drivers' bakerboy has not been sober for a week over this and fireplace hates anything to do with the council

On a serious note I think you three have a problem with 'authority' you hate bosses and have to be your own boss, because you cannot take any criticism and you cannot tolerate anybody disagreeing with you and all of you will argue black is white, before admitting to the truth of the matter, that the council, in the role of being one of the powers that be, have got it right and the Southern link road into Wigan Town Centre and the new road which will eventually reach Atherleigh Way, has taken another step forward and it should be remembered that the work which was done ten years ago at the bottom of Chapel Lane, the new bridges and diverting the River Douglas, was done in preparation for the new link road being built, but these things take time and money, lots of money

Tomplum,
I don't even think he is a real knight. I think he gave himself a knighthood when he went to Camelot years ago.

Sir Bob

The work being undertaken covers a diluted part of the 1949 Roads plan for Lancashire. These things certainly take time.
If ever you get time search the archives at the history shop and look up the replacement of the Chapel Lane railway bridge. If was an object lesson in organisation and planning.
At the time it set a world record for the longest continuous concrete pour.

gaffer

I will do that and on about the Chapel Lane Bridge I can actually remember in part that being done, the old railway bridges and road, were as I remember, they were more like a tunnel than a bridge and I remember going and getting a bike part from Jack Watsons Cycle Shop on Chapel Lane in 1971 and that was just before the bridge was replaced and he was explaining to us what was going to happen with the bridge replacement.

Jack Watson


The Whelley Loop Line was reopened to provide an alternative route for trains, because the main line was closed for a few days at Chapel Lane whilst they did the job and I presume the concrete pour was when they were building the replacement bridge at the side of the old bridge, because as I recall the new bridge was slid into place

sir bob I obviously never saw your Hitler link when posting mine.

chatty

Don't worry about it, it is a funny un though isn't it

the taxi licensing authority should look into sb's mental state.
I have been drunk all week, moron.your license up for renewal sir brown nose. I did not see your post re your address in worsley mesnes.

I think people on WW are slowly getting the message.
Forget Saddle Junction.
Forget Poolstock Lane.
The new A49 to Westwood Link road will avoid both.


Shimple innit?

yes but when jim when.

Victoria street/Warrington Road traffic lights still need sorting. Utter mess now with a block of traffic approaching these lights even harder to change lanes.

PeterP

That is a good point, more traffic going through Saddle, which is what they want, but I suppose that will only be fixed when new link road is built, problem there is selfish drivers (usually stupid middle/old aged women) blocking the road when they want to change lanes, they should be shot.

So now that the Marus Bridge junction is nearly finished, when will they be starting building the new link road, does anybody know

Galliford Try won the £11m contract to build the A49 link road and were due to start 'at the turn of the year'

a few high viz bods knocking about this week and Blackledges were seen doing core drilling/testing - so start date 'imminent'?

wigvet

Thank you

Baker boy.

Looking at the tfgm website we see the following:

POOLSTOCK LANE BRIDGE:

West Abutment start 03/03/2016
East Abutment start 10/03/2016
Bridge Deck start 23/08/2016
Brickwork start. 04/10/2016

This info was released on the 23rd June 2015.

This is just a small part of the overall project.
According to this all the main structures will be completed by about November of this year.

Let's get on with it. Can't wait much longer.

poolstock lane, a scene of peace and quiet after 40 years,a very contented aaaahhhhh.




i'm not holding my breath ,they will shut poolstock lane up for at least two months summer 2016.

I've just used the lights for the first time at 3pm,I've always gone down Poolstock Lane,and did this time,I won't use it again though,it's obvious from the setup that the powers that be don't want Poolstock Lane used to turn left at the lights,the traffic was built up on this road,but Warrington Rd was quite clear.

I came down Poolstock Lane at about 3pm and I had come round from Warringon Road which was clear and the traffic on Poolstock Lane was backed up from the new junction to Holborne Avenue, which is quite a long way.

sir bob thank you for your post

baker boy

You are welcome

case for the prosecution is concluded M'lud,

tomplum

I just stick to the facts

sir bob please quit while people have some sense of normality on this topic.

There is a moral to this story and that same moral applies to this topic and to tomplum and baker boy and the moral of the story is ....

'When one wishes to drive from Wigan to Marus Bridge and beyond, then use the A49 via Wallgate, Southgate and Warrington Road,,, you know it makes sense'

'sail' through the junction in a morning to the M6 but have ended up queueing half way up the M6 slip road each night I have come off there this week!

Passed through for the first time today 5-15pm Highfield Grange ave to Sainsburys. Return 6-30pm. No problem, however Poolstock lane looked horrendous, headlights backing up as far as could be seen

Tomplum

I agree. That's the weak link in the Marus Bridge project. I.e. Turning left from Poolstock Lane towards Ben Jonson/ Bryn/ M6.
The left turn is very short and severe.
So why have we not used the area nearer to the pavement, to make the curve longer, and therefore able to take more cars?
How much of this problem is due to Bike Lane and Bus stop?
I wouldn't be too surprised if this isn't redone in the near future.
From my observations most traffic makes the left turn rather than the straight on or right turn.

This is definitely the weak link and it's the route I normally take.

Drivers are now doing "U" turns to get to Fulbeck Avenue.

There is going to be a very bad accident.

I think thats in the planning FP, there's no sign up to say its illegal yet there is on the opposite way in from Wigan,
Also there's give way lines on the Poolstock Lane entry. So the Poolstock Lane cars will have to l@@k out,

Tomplum

I agree. That's the weak link in the Marus Bridge project. I.e. Turning left from Poolstock Lane towards Ben Jonson/ Bryn/ M6.
The left turn is very short and severe.
So why have we not used the area nearer to the pavement, to make the curve longer, and therefore able to take more cars?
How much of this problem is due to Bike Lane and Bus stop?
I wouldn't be too surprised if this isn't redone in the near future.
From my observations most traffic makes the left turn rather than the straight on or right turn.

This is definitely the weak link and it's the route I normally take.

Tomplum

I agree. That's the weak link in the Marus Bridge project. I.e. Turning left from Poolstock Lane towards Ben Jonson/ Bryn/ M6.
The left turn is very short and severe.
So why have we not used the area nearer to the pavement, to make the curve longer, and therefore able to take more cars?
How much of this problem is due to Bike Lane and Bus stop?
I wouldn't be too surprised if this isn't redone in the near future.
From my observations most traffic makes the left turn rather than the straight on or right turn.

This is definitely the weak link and it's the route I normally take.

Tomplum

I agree. That's the weak link in the Marus Bridge project. I.e. Turning left from Poolstock Lane towards Ben Jonson/ Bryn/ M6.
The left turn is very short and severe.
So why have we not used the area nearer to the pavement, to make the curve longer, and therefore able to take more cars?
How much of this problem is due to Bike Lane and Bus stop?
I wouldn't be too surprised if this isn't redone in the near future.
From my observations most traffic makes the left turn rather than the straight on or right turn.

This is definitely the weak link and it's the route I normally take.

no need to shout 3 times,
post us a diagram please so we know wtf you're on about.

.... just like sir Bobby did when requested

He wasn't shouting.

I know what he's on about, and I don't even use it.

It is a similar predicament to what happens on the M6/M58 slip road. The traffic leaving the motorway and turning right towards Wigan blocks the left filter lane towards Orrell and Upholland.

Baker Boy, there must have been a lot of confused people living in Worsley Mesnes if they thought Marus Bridge was Lane Ends,
Lane Ends was, and still is,is at the junction of Billinge road and Little Lane.

dodger
sir bob does not live in worsley mesnes,when he's driving his taxi, people must be giving him a running commentary on which way to their destination.
lateat on poolstock lane,turn of chapel lane Friday at 4.40 pm got to where the old,old poolstock labour club was ,the derelict one, and into a very slow moving traffic queue.this stretched to the new "improved" junction.

the problem at marus bridge is the clowncil/dept of transport have made a mistake at this junction.i was stood at the lights watching the traffic from poolstock lane for approx. 40 mins.
the right turn onto warrington road had 21 cars/vans use
that right turn in all that time.many ,many more went up highfield grange and countless vehicles went toward the motor way.
what needs to be done is the right turn to warrington road should merge with the lane to highfield grange as there is ample room for the right turn people to get away from the other traffic going up highfield grange ,this will when corrected, give traffic going towards bryn more room to escape left.
they are constantly being blocked by 5 or 6 vehicles using the left hand side to go up highfield grange,this slight shift would allow the bryn traffic easier access to the left turn towards the motorway junction.
it would also help if they widened the end of poolstock lane at that point.

A Marus Bridge discription, taken from the WiganWorld Historical Archives -

"There was a Pemberton farmer who had a habit of addressing everyone he spoke to by the name 'Marru', a shortened version of 'marrow' the slang word for 'friend', 'pal' or 'mate'. As in 'Alreet Marru'! And he became known in the locality as 'Marru'.

Anyroadup, one day, Marru' took two short planks of wood and layed them across a brook that flowed across his field in order to herd his sheep across. Very soon, the planks were being used by other locals to cross the brook without getting their pants wet and this annoyed the farmer, so he put up a sign saying 'Private bridge, Do not use, Trespassers will be shot'.
Word soon got round about this, people saying to each other, 'We'd best not go across 'Marru's two short planks'. Which soon became, 'We'd best not go across 'Marru's Bridge'. And, in time, that part of Pemberton became known as 'Marus Bridge'.

It is also where the term 'thick as two short planks' originated, bolstered at the time by the writings of one Ellen Weeton, who described the area around Wigan as ‘a place of mental barrenness, where ignorance and vulgarity are their boast, and literature has scarcely dawned’.

Probably."

Roobarb

Cheeeeese and Dog Meat!

NO U Turn signs now up on Warrington road so you have to go onto Poolstock road to get onto Hawkley Hall estate

a very long way round for the likes of ourselves,though what do we expect from boneheads.
professor bob wont be worried about the new system, he can over charge folk even more for a taxi ride from Sainsbury's to fullbeck avenue.

Well thinking about it, most people who live in Hawkley Hall, don't live at top end of Fulbeck Avenue and thinking about it, which is or was easiest ...

1. Going round the roundabout and back up to the Ben Johnson and then turn left into Fulbeck Avenue.

OR

2. Turn right into Poolstock Land and then turn right into Marus Avenue and get to where you are going that way, there are some losers who live at the Ben Johnson end of Fulbeck Avenue, who now have to go through the estate, but not as many losers as there were when the right turn (now reinstated) into Clap Gate Lane was taken away ...

either way the clowncil was/is at fault.we noticed today a few cars taking the marus ave route.thats not exactly making marus ave residents lives quieter or safer.

marus ave is chocka because people double park and no one can get out into Poolstock lane for the queueing traffic

Did't someone promice on here that,

" in a few weeks time you'll all notice how Better it is" or words to that affect,,,

That new junction is the best thing in Wigan since sliced bread, so get over it and for folk who live at wrong end of Fulbeck Avenue, well it's just tough titty, yoo shouldn't have moved there in the first place should yoo

you're wasted as a taxi driver sir bob, you should be in the council or even Parliment,

Thank you

Anyone having trouble getting through should book Sir Bob's taxi, he will take you the long way round, but you will fly through the new junction.

and he'll talk a load of 8ollick on the way

Hahahaha.