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Started by: billy (26053) 

the latest sugestion some s**t for brains politician has been tossing around,.....our kids should learn the language of the minorities in their neighborhood?????the PBF party(of which i am president) says simply...teach the minorities the mother tongue ENGLISH.
PS...no appologies if this offends...its my human rights to voice an opinion.

Started: 15th Dec 2006 at 11:05

Posted by: billy (26053) 

yeahhh

Replied: 15th Dec 2006 at 11:06

Posted by: keno (2840) 

If the language the minorities groups are In his English they should learn English .We are going over the top for minority groups.If we go to some of the Countries these people come from, we are not allowed to practise our own Religion.The only way these groups can assimilate Into the community his to learn the language of the country they came to.

Replied: 15th Dec 2006 at 11:21

Posted by: billy (26053) 

if they refuse, then you have the answer as to how far they intend integrating!!!do you not??

Replied: 15th Dec 2006 at 11:38

Posted by: madamehmurray (6273) 

I shouldn't have dropped out of college, Just couldn't stay in when my health had gotten worst.

Replied: 15th Dec 2006 at 20:14

Posted by: keno (2840) 

If they do,nt want to learn the language of any country they go to,they are the ones who suffer the most,they have less job opportunities.Im sure that most Intelligent people of any race would want to know the language,so has to compete for jobs.May I quote Ausse on this occasion with out upsetting anyone.The Goverment here has brought In a law,before anyone because an Australian(skippy)citizen they have to learn the language .See you can learn some thing from the skippies.

Replied: 15th Dec 2006 at 20:34

Posted by: madamehmurray (6273) 

The school system over here sucks to no end. Colleges need new and better cirriculum for teaching.

Replied: 15th Dec 2006 at 20:53

Posted by: tonker (27834) 

Billy. 'Suggestion' has double g and 'apologies' has a single p. 'Neighbourhood' has a u in it, after the o in neighbour. It seems a bit rich that you should suggest 'the minorities' be taught English, when you can't write correctly yourself. A double blow, if you went to night school to learn English yourself, is that your teacher would be a Paki.. Probably.

PS. The previous comment was made 'tongue in cheek', and was not intended to offend Billy in any way. Honest.

Replied: 15th Dec 2006 at 21:47

Posted by: kathy (283) 

I watched a tv prog the other night and there are whole communities living in areas some as long as 13yrs where they do not speak a word of our language they have their own newspapers and shops and doctors all speaking their own language this is fine if this is their choice but I do object at the thousands of pounds paid from my taxes for interpreters when they need essential services like hospitals for instance I am in no way racist I worked in the NHS and we have some very good foreign staff working in the NHS but when they showed an interpreter being paid to help someone to give up smoking I thought that was taking liberties!

Replied: 15th Dec 2006 at 22:25

Posted by: samster (inactive)

To be honest, I'm sick and tired of everyone coming to my country because we're the softest option. Belgium, of all countries, rules us EU idiots but does Belgium cater for asylum seekers? Surprise surprise NOT. There're some legal immigrants who came over 40 odd years ago who still don't speak English, despite all the help offered. Sorry, but we've bent over backwards to accommodate and repatriate these folk but most don't want to know. All they want is their own enclave in a settled country, (ours), totally ignore our ways and if we pull them up, cry racist, even though we're a Christian country. I mean, am I going nuts or am I nuts? If Muslims are against Western values, then why are they fallin' over themselves to come to England anyway?

Replied: 15th Dec 2006 at 23:06

Posted by: keno (2840) 

These people seem to cause problems no matter what country they go to.The countries that suffer the most ,are Countries from the Coalition of the willing,lesson learned.Australia got an Influx of refugees from Vietnam ,after we helped America to Interfere In the affairs of Vietnam.WE should mind our own business,let people run their own affairs.
Nothing achieved In Vietnam or Iraq.

Replied: 15th Dec 2006 at 23:07

Posted by: getwom (inactive)

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Posted by: keno (2840) 

Yes If they are seeking refuge,It will become their permanent home.Ex Pats are not living off the taxes of these Countries.But common sense would make you learn the language.

Replied: 15th Dec 2006 at 23:25

Posted by: keno (2840) 

Also Ex Pats are not looking for work and are usualy getting Pensions from the Country they came from.

Replied: 15th Dec 2006 at 23:31

Posted by: reddi8 (1107)

I know people who had settled in France and had to return when their children were getting behind because they didn`t speak French. France doesn`t provide interpreters. Recently visiting Spain I found many of the English living there have Spanish lessons.

Replied: 15th Dec 2006 at 23:35

Posted by: getwom (inactive)

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Posted by: keno (2840) 

Anyone who permantly settles In another Country by choice would have to stupid not to learn the language.A friend of mine whos daughter went to Germany has an Exchange Student Learned the language as soon as possible now speaks It fluently.I go to Philippines often and am learning language.
It depends on ourselves wether we want to be part of another culture.

Replied: 15th Dec 2006 at 23:45

Posted by: getwom (inactive)

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Posted by: minnie (inactive)

[QUOTE]Bearing in mind the international nature of this message board, I wonder what people think of the following questions:

Should all British people living in France be compelled to learn and speak French?

Should all British people living in Spain be compelled to learn and speak Spanish?[/QUOTE]



In a word .........YES

Replied: 15th Dec 2006 at 23:47
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Posted by: getwom (inactive)

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Posted by: keno (2840) 

There his a differents between Refugees and visitors .Refugees usualy do,nt have choice of which Country they go to,visitors do.Who suggested deportation of people of who can,t speak the language?.Thats a new one on me.

Replied: 16th Dec 2006 at 00:20

Posted by: minnie (inactive)

getwom said:
So you would support the deportation of all English people in France who don't speak French and all in Spain who don't speak Spanish - that's fine.

The rules need to be set out beforehand, if you want to live there (wherever it is) then learn the language, that's not too racist or difficult is it?

Replied: 16th Dec 2006 at 00:27

Posted by: gater (165)

You people have no idea of what is going on over here.In Quebec which is a province in Canada you are not allowed to have your children educated in English.This is supposed to be a democratic country.The government are terrified to bother the Frogs.

Replied: 16th Dec 2006 at 02:25

Posted by: getwom (inactive)

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Posted by: kathy (283) 

The original question was should our kids learn the language of the minorities in their area?The theme has developed further with suggestions of deportation my only gripe is the amount of money it is costing this country to cater for people who for whatever reason refuse to help themselves Do you think the same facilities would be provided for us in these countries I suspect we would have to pay for an interpreter for instance

Replied: 16th Dec 2006 at 10:58

Posted by: billy (26053) 

language to one side.
brits moving abroad, take some cash wealth with them.
they purchase homes for themselves
they are not a burden on the local tax payers.
in the majority of cases, they are a financial beneficial benefit to the country of their choice.
and some effort IS made to learn the language.
i have yet to hear anyone of them saying "its against their human rights to have to learn"

Replied: 16th Dec 2006 at 11:08

Posted by: billy (26053) 

these brits in question, are for the most part retired, the rest have a trade to pursue.
the influx into britain
is totally opposite to the brit exodus to other parts.
PS to my mate tonks....easy done these spelling errors when you get the notion "hey, i"m a fast typist"its only when you post, that you spot the errors. PPS i promise to get a spell checker.
merry christmas tonks mi lad.

Replied: 16th Dec 2006 at 11:15

Posted by: getwom (inactive)

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Posted by: coccium (2569) 

If people from other country's who want to live here (Britain that is)and want all we have to offer especially our welfare system,if the criteria was first learn the language then there would be no problem. We would soon have the ethnic minorities reading the news on t/v in perfect English and with a very posh accent. Anyone who believes different must be naive/stupid.

Replied: 16th Dec 2006 at 12:10

Posted by: tonker (27834) 

Ethnic minorities DO read the news on tv, never mind 'we would soon have them'... AND, they are easier to understand than that Lorraine Kelly, who speaks as if she's got a mouthful of Uncle Joes Mintballs.

Replied: 16th Dec 2006 at 12:48

Posted by: coccium (2569) 

tonker,I have not heard anyone from the ethnic minorities reading the news apart from the ones educated here,and they did not come here for the benefit handouts! and they have learned and studied the language,but now the do gooders want to make it a priority that the thousands of people from other countries learn all about our benifit system first.Why is this government spending millions of tax payers money on iterpreters? (TAX PAYERS MONEY) money taken off the honest hard working people who are not seeking benifits.

Replied: 16th Dec 2006 at 13:19

Posted by: getwom (inactive)

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Posted by: keno (2840) 

Live and let Live,I would,nt like to be In the shoes of these people who through no fault of their own had to flee the Country of their birth.Have a little kindness In your heart towards these unfortunate refugees.THERE BUT FOR THE GRACE OF GOD GO II.

Replied: 16th Dec 2006 at 23:37

Posted by: dave© (3507)

When I was at school, I was taught that the tabloid newspapers, Daily Mail included, attempted to sway people with the views of their editors. It seems like this practice hasn't changed, and because of that reason, I don't buy them. I like to think that I'm an independent thinker who makes his own mind up.

Replied: 17th Dec 2006 at 00:04

Posted by: aussie roy (2574) 

While I have been reading all the postings on this thread a thought occured to me regarding the early settlers in places like America and Australia,I wonder how many those people made an effort to learn the native language,granted there were,and probably still is,many different ones.But that did not occur,instead our ancestors inflicted or least attempted to,their culture and religious beliefs on the native population and in their ignorance and arrogance wiped out thousands,if not millions of the indigenous peoples.Nearly everywhere the Europeans settled,then deserted,is now the net result of what is happening today,the people were exploited and suppressed,and yes they wanted independence and had to fight for it,but their former colonial masters,with a few exceptions,left them in the hands of dictators and despots.Even as these people try to leave their war torn and ravaged countries they are being exploited so I think the last thing on their minds would be to learn the language of their intended destination.I remember in the '50s migrants going to UK had to be able to read a calendar and count to to 26. Perhaps if we could turn the clock back and our forebears had approached colonialisation in a different way we would not have the problem we have today,but given the greed for wealth and power then and today I suppose it is just a flight of fantasy.
On a lighter note,despite the fact that we came from an English speaking? country,us ex-pats downunder had to learn to speak the local language,'Strine.

Replied: 17th Dec 2006 at 01:04

Posted by: ozzielass (1742) 

The difference is migrants who choose to live where they want to and therefore should be able to learn the basics of a language out of courtesy if nothing else.

And refugees who may not want to leave their homeland but have to for safety reasons, or just to survive. They would take longer to settle and even learn another language because of shock, trauma, loss of or leaving other family/loved ones behind. They are the ones who deserve our support to help them settle. Put yourself in their shoes?? Imagine if tomorrow your region/country was taken over by alien forces and you were forced to leave and to a place where you knew no one and couldn't even communicate?

Replied: 18th Dec 2006 at 07:33

Posted by: keno (2840) 

Thank God some one with a heart and commonsense has spoken thank you Ozzielass your a real Aussie.The world would be a better place If there where more people like you,THANK YOU,and GOD bless you.

Replied: 18th Dec 2006 at 09:42

Posted by: samster (inactive)

Very easy to be holier than thou when Australia has one of the most stringent set of immigration rules in the world. Fair play to 'em, wish our government was the same!

Replied: 18th Dec 2006 at 10:21

Posted by: keno (2840) 

I actually did not make the rules,believe me, I didnt vote for for this Goverment.Most people here vote differently.

Replied: 18th Dec 2006 at 11:08

Posted by: ozzielass (1742) 

Samster, I think the worst thing that could have happened for England's immigration policy was the Channel Tunnel!!

Australia has the enviable advantage of being an island far away from just about everybody else. Long way to get to in a boat.

Australia does have over 135 different nationalities, a lot of refugees but nowhere near the problems that Europe is having with the influx of Eastern European refugees/illegal immigrants. Plus the borderless EEC??

Australisa's clampdown on illegal immigrants got the Liberal party back in at the last election. Keep all those potential terrorists out etc..... Not everyone agrees with putting illegal refugees in detention centres, woman and children too, for years until they have been 'processed' all at taxpayer's expense. It's inhumane.

Have a Merry Christmas and even Merrier New Year. Peace on Earth? - dream on....

Replied: 19th Dec 2006 at 05:42

Posted by: keno (2840) 

I would like to wish everyone out there a Merry Xmas and an Happy New Year,wether you agree with my humanistic views or not.
Let us all get together and help these refugees ,lets remember for Gods sake these are human being like us who have feelings like us.Try and put yourselves In your minds what these people are going through.Lets put a little of Goodwill Into Xmas for a change.

Replied: 19th Dec 2006 at 07:08

Posted by: billy (26053) 

if the asylum seeker integrates ok
if they wont integrate, big prob on the horizon.
if they demand separate beaches for themselves...big prob.
if they march thro the streets challenging our foreign policy!!!big prob
ect ect ect
integrate, and become citizens of the adoptive country, failure to do this, simply means we become a house divided, and a house divided, must fall.

Replied: 20th Dec 2006 at 11:07

Posted by: billy (26053) 

who can argue with that ???
PS, i know one guy who is at this very moment, on his keyboard.
PPs no, not you tonks.

Replied: 20th Dec 2006 at 11:09

Posted by: keno (2840) 

The terrorist that bombed the trains In London where born and bred In England.They where already Integrated In to British society,can you give me an answer to that.

Replied: 20th Dec 2006 at 20:18

Posted by: billy (26053) 

simple keno...they are an example of what ive said above....they did not integrate, they objected to our foreign policy, therefore,they responded by slaughtering their brit country men. can you see that now????they abide by the laws of the countries of their parents, even to the point of wanting SHARIA law here in the UK???tell me now, is this integration into our society, or is it their intention for the brits to integrate into their society. (the one there parents fled)

Replied: 20th Dec 2006 at 20:48

Posted by: keno (2840) 

I,m afraid I,ll never have answer to what these people did,unless I am one of them,which I,ll never be thank God.

Replied: 20th Dec 2006 at 23:26

Posted by: minnie (inactive)

The parents who came over in the 50's/60's never had any intention of integrating, they passed this on to their children and taught them their own language. I don't know if their intention was to return with the children to their homeland, but it has bred a repulsion to this land that accepted them and so it goes on.........

Replied: 21st Dec 2006 at 00:26

Posted by: billy (26053) 

the IMANS preach it from the pulpits, that as infidels, we are to be shunned. ?????

Replied: 21st Dec 2006 at 14:47

Posted by: keno (2840) 

WE will just have to try harder to educate these people,like we do with our kids.It would be easier If we had a magic wand.It would also help If we did,nt Invade some one else's Country.

Replied: 21st Dec 2006 at 20:34

Posted by: billy (26053) 

we aint made such a good job of educating our kids, not here in the uk anyhow.
for the newcomers who have known no security in their lives, and are accepted in our once "GREAT COUNTRY", one would think keno, that the least they could do, would be immensley gratefull at a second chance of this game called "LIFE.for the first time ever, they know security...give a little back, and the picture would be complete.

Replied: 22nd Dec 2006 at 10:30

Posted by: minnie (inactive)

Billy we have let our kids down

Replied: 23rd Dec 2006 at 01:48

Posted by: ozzielass (1742) 

A big part of the problem is that some nationalities identify themselves by their religion. i.e. their religion dictates their whole life, who they marry, who they associate with, where they are educated, whether they drink alcohol, have more than one wife.

You can then be any nationality but your religion is your driving force in life. And it doesn't matter what nationality you are or if you are a citizen of whatever country your TRUE loyalty lies with your religion first and foremost. A And especially if you are a woman and live in a patriarchal society where you have to ask permission of your father to marry then it becomes almost impossible to rebel. If you are told that you besmirch the family honour by going against certain traditions what can they do? And so it goes on.

In most western countries women have gone forward in leaps and bounds but in some religions women are restricted in so many ways it is going back to how things were hundreds of years ago. Is that what we want??

Replied: 23rd Dec 2006 at 09:52

Posted by: keno (2840) 

Well said my friend

Replied: 23rd Dec 2006 at 10:24

Posted by: keno (2840) 

I think that religion has been the cause of most wars In our times,each one seems to be telling the other theirs his the right one,Missionaries going round the World preaching to the underdeveloped Countries of the World their version of the word of God.
These people where happier before we Interfered with their lives.Live and let Live I say.The Western Countries of the Developed World are Their own worst enemies.

Replied: 23rd Dec 2006 at 23:44

Posted by: billy (26053) 

RELIGION?????A MAN BY THE NAME OF PAUL MILLER, WHO HIMSELF WAS A HELL FIRE AND DAMNATION PREACHER IN THE STATES,WROTE A NUMBER OF BOOKS ON RELIGION, AFTER THE DEATH OF HIS BELOVED MOTHER. HE WAS VERY CRITICAL OF THE CHURCH, AND THE TEACHINGS OF THE CHURCH.HE WROTE ABOUT 7 BOOKS, REGARDING THE DOUBTFULL SCRIPTURES AND MANS INTERPRETATION OF THEM. I ONLY READ THE ONE BOOK, AND IT WAS SUFFICIENT FOR ME. THE BOOK WAS CALLED "RELIGION,THE ENEMY OF MANKIND". I WOULD POINT OUT, NO RELIGION WAS SINGLED OUT, IT ATTACKED THE RELIGIONS GENERALY.HE WAS AN X MINISTER HIMSELF, SO TO A LARGE EXTENT, HE KNEW THE SUBJECT MATTER HE DISAGREED WITH(EXPLAINED THE QUADRUPLED MEANINGS OF ANY ONE TEXT.VERY IMPRESSIVE READING.PITTY OSSAMA COULDNT READ IT???JUST AS WELL I SUPPOSE,HE WOULD ISSUE AN INFIDATA ON HIM. (HEY TONKS-HOWS MY SPEELLING SO FAR GETWOM, IS THAT THE RIGHT WORD FOR DEATH SENTENCE, USED BY THE MAD IMRANS???

Replied: 24th Dec 2006 at 12:22

Posted by: keno (2840) 

Thanks Billy for your text on religion ,
religion has become another way of making money,to believe In God we do,nt have to go to Church,my Church his my body,I do,nt need a Church to help me pray.There his so much anger In people,I never realised how much till I got on this Website,anger will kill you quicker than anything,It eats away at your body.If we spend so much time being critical of other people we hav,nt got time to love them,thats enough sermons for today.
Today his the time to be merry,has Ozzielass (God Bless Her)will tell you most of our dishes here are cold because of our weather,prawns ,squid salads ,and a few hot dishes.By the time you read this we will have had our jack bit,where 11hours In front of you,most of us will probably still be P--ed,or having a snooze
anyway Billy all the best to you and your beautiful wife,also Ozzielass,and you to Roy keep speaking your minds,never be put off by bullies,I know you wo,nt.

Replied: 24th Dec 2006 at 21:10

 

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