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HAHAHA terrorist nil police one
Started by: laughing gravy (5070) Report abuse
beltin video's of scum being shot going around

Posted by: firefox (154) Report abuse
Terrorists only have to win once every occssion, sadly. Police are on a hiding to nothing. All praise Tony Blair.

Jeremy Corbyn has announced talks should have taken place with the man and he be given a new home and benefits.

Posted by: firefox (154) Report abuse
Sadly, two innocent people died after todays cowardly assault.

May God be with them

Posted by: basil brush (12707) Report abuse
Good, another one off the street.

Posted by: firefox (154) Report abuse
28-year-old Khan was convicted for terrorism offence in 2012, the parole board released a statement explaining that they had no involvement in his early release after serving only half of his sentence. Piers Morgan has weighed in on Twitter amid outcry that the convicted terrorist was released early even though Judge Mr Justice Wilkie had described him as being one of “the more serious jihadists” from a prior plot to bomb the London Stock Exchange.

Corbyn's take on such events

Posted by: TerryW (2606) Report abuse
Funny that because Corbyn seemed to be 'quite happy' with McGuinness and his Derry Brigade shoot to kill policy, his sidekick John McDonnell said they were all quite brave.

Posted by: basil brush (12707) Report abuse
Shoot em all!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: firefox (154) Report abuse
Just the terrorists, I presume?

Posted by: TerryW (2606) Report abuse
Only the ones with gelignite sewn in their vests.

Posted by: laughing gravy (5070) Report abuse
no firefox the filthy child sex gangs too along with crash for cash scum...

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (3933) Report abuse
Apparently when the police arrived and turned the terrorist over on to his back, one of the police saw the suicide vest, and shouted "BOMB" and they jumped back, and as soon as they had dragged that man off him, who was rather upset with him, they shot him, two in the chest and the rest in his head.

Posted by: priscus (7602) Report abuse
Police, on TV just, say he was compliant with the terms of his licence.

Guess that 'Don't kill anyone' didn't figure in those terms?

Posted by: firefox (154) Report abuse
Left wing maniacs truied to blame Johnson for the outrage, calling it a 'False flag'. Imbeciles, Politicians on both sides are to blame, soft sentencing and lenient judicial system are to blame, and that is a fault of all politicians.

Posted by: Pi Eta (12) Report abuse
The person who signed the release form for this retard after serving only half his sentence should be charged with aiding and abetting the murder of two innocents. No wonder the lenient sentencing handed out to convicted terrorists, murders, rapist etc. make us a laughing stock.

Posted by: priscus (7602) Report abuse
BOTH major political parties have quickly pitched in with attempt to blame each other.

Opportunism, eh!

Posted by: firefox (154) Report abuse
Image removed

Posted by: retep1949 (536) Report abuse
I am no prude and enjoy a laugh with anyone and wish all terrorists could be shot on sight and I have no time for Corbyn but Firefox this is in bloody poor taste.I just pity the innocent people killed and feel for their familes

Posted by: firefox (154) Report abuse

Posted by: basil brush (12707) Report abuse
Shouldn't have posted that in the first place..... Disgusting 🤢

Posted by: firefox (154) Report abuse

The dead terrorist or corbyn mourmning him?

Posted by: baker boy (14990) Report abuse
no one within the flawed judicial system will pay the price of their blatant mistakes ,only the dead and injured
rehabilitation of these jihadist's is a waste of time,life long sentencing can be the only cure.

Posted by: TerryW (2606) Report abuse
A long drop would be better.

Posted by: wigandiver (130) Report abuse
Try reading all of this article.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/london-bridge-attack-latest-conservatives-probation-policy-safety-nick-hardwick-a9229306.html

IPPs were introduced under Labour, but scrapped under the Conservatives: fact.

Posted by: firefox (154) Report abuse
A more accurate document

Posted by: wigandiver (130) Report abuse
Have you read the Independent article ?

"A more accurate document." No. Shutting the door after the horse has bolted. It was a cost cutting measure with nothing put in its place.

The Conservatives scrapped IPPS in 2012, but under Grayling's disastrous privatisation of the Probation Service, (now reversed), experienced staff were made redundant. Close friend of mine used to work in Probation.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/dec/01/why-was-the-london-bridge-terrorist-released-from-prison

Far more complicated than Johnson made out.




Posted by: firefox (154) Report abuse

I used the IPP factsheet, you used the lIndependent.

I prefer my link thanks.

Posted by: TerryA (13) Report abuse
Is that a factsheet, or a fascistsheet.

Posted by: wigandiver (130) Report abuse
You just used a press release from the Ministry of Justice.
Not exactly unbiased. Under Grayling the MoJ destroyed the Probation Service.

Try reading the Independent and Guardian articles.

All politicians were asked by the father of Jack Merrit, (killed in the attack), not to use his son's murder for political advantage. True to form Johnson ignored this request.

Something else for you not to read:
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/dec/02/johnsons-response-to-london-bridge-attack-ignores-complex-reality

Posted by: firefox (154) Report abuse
The faulrt with the terrorist incident(s) lies firstly and firlmy with Blair and his government, followed by a failing by all parties.

I have no wish the read from the independent. The Ministry of Justice PDF is factual, regardless of your argument.

Posted by: wigandiver (130) Report abuse
"The Ministry of Justice PDF is factual, regardless of your argument." It was propaganda, to justify the ruining of the Justice system.

Try reading the articles, or are you frightened you may read something that upsets your prejudices.

They are a withering indictment of Conservative policies.

Posted by: firefox (154) Report abuse
I fear nothing, and I can't read according to one sage.


Tories using attack to gain votes?

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Usman Khan was sentenced for serious terror offence in Feb 2012. Thought to be so dangerous by judge he was given IPP sentence to prevent release if still serious threat. Instead he was released 6 yrs later without Parole Board assessment. How cd this be allowed to happen? ...1


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Because legislation brought in by your government in 2008 meant that dangerous terrorists had to automatically be released after half of their jail term. Conservatives changed the law in 2012 to end your automatic release policy but Khan was convicted before this.

https://twitter.com/YvetteCooperMP/status/1200761294892257285

Posted by: wigandiver (130) Report abuse
Seeing as you can't be bothered opening up a link, Ill do it for you.

Was Usman Khan still serving a prison sentence at the time of the London Bridge attack? What had he done?

Khan was convicted in 2012 in a complex court case involving three connected al-Qaida inspired groups. He was one of three men from Stoke-on-Trent who were convicted of planning to set up a terrorist camp in Pakistan, and had planned to travel there to carry out attacks in Kashmir.

Khan, 28, was released from prison on licence last year. At the time of the attack he wearing an electronic tag, managed by the probation service and subject to low-level monitoring.

What sentence did he originally receive?

Khan was originally sentenced in February 2012. Like the other Stoke plotters, he pleaded guilty. The trial judge, Mr Justice Wilkie, weighed up whether to give Khan a fixed, determinate sentence, which under the prevailing rules would have meant he was eligible for release halfway during his prison term, or an indeterminate imprisonment for public protection (IPP) sentence, which would have meant his release would be subject to a parole board review.

He concluded that Khan and two others posed a sufficiently long-term risk to the public to hand down an indeterminate sentence. “In my judgment,” Wilkie concluded, Khan and the other two Stoke plotters were “more serious jihadis than the others. They were working to a long-term agenda”.
Screengrab taken from BBC News of Usman Khan in 2008.
Screengrab taken from BBC News of Usman Khan in 2008. Photograph: BBC News/PA
What happened when the case went to the court of appeal?

Khan and the other Stoke plotters successfully appealed against their indeterminate sentences in a case that concluded in March 2013.

The court of appeal, chaired by Lord Justice Leveson, concluded that there was no suggestion that Khan or the other two “would be in a position to activate, operate or participate” any terror training facility in Pakistan, and formed the view that in any event, their terror plans were largely related to overseas.

The court decided to impose fixed sentences instead. In Khan’s case this new sentence was a fixed term of 16 years, extended by a further five on licence. That meant he would automatically be allowed out after eight years, without the involvement of the parole board.
Why were such dangerous prisoners let out without parole board oversight?

The type of prison term Khan ultimately received was an extended sentence for public protection (EPP). These were introduced in April 2005, by Labour, in the Criminal Justice Act 2003, alongside the IPP sentences.

Initially, both required that a parole board assessment be made before a prisoner could be released. But the prison population soared, partly because parole boards were not impressed by rehabilitation efforts in jail.
Usman Khan profile: terrorist who wanted to bomb London Stock Exchange
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Labour changed the law in 2008 to ease the pressure and for extended sentences only the requirement for parole board oversight was removed. Prisoners like Khan – who were not subject to any other conditions – became automatically eligible for release halfway through their jail terms.

The rules for terrorism sentencing were changed by the Conservatives in 2015 as Islamic State became more active. All terrorism offenders sentenced since then have to apply for parole.
So is Boris Johnson right to blame Labour?

No. It is true that Labour’s law change of 2008 created the type of extended sentence that allowed Khan to be released automatically. But Labour had also created a viable alternative, in the indeterminate IPP sentence, which required parole board oversight.

The Conservatives election manifesto says: “We will introduce tougher sentencing for the worst offenders and end automatic halfway release from prison for serious crimes”, but it has nothing specific on terror offences. Johnson’s post-attack proposal that terrorists should spend at least 14 years in prison is entirely new."

If the Conservatives were so critical of the rules, why did they they do nothing until 2015 ?

Johnson is being wiser after the event. 20 20 hindsight.

Now try reading the other links before prejudging.

Posted by: wigandiver (130) Report abuse
"PM is seeking to dodge questions on impact of austerity on police, prisons and probation"

I know you like reading the Guardian.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/dec/02/johnsons-response-to-london-bridge-attack-ignores-complex-reality

Posted by: firefox (154) Report abuse
Never read the Guardian. I rarely read any rags. Politicians on both sides seek to score points on the back of the atrocity. Sadly, you are of the belief only one party is to fault. We culd trade links back and forth all the while, but it would be pointless, justt like the majority of threads on these boards. I am happy in the knowledge I voted against corbyn. All I want on Dec 13 is to hear Corbyn is leaving labour, and taking the inept Abbott with him.

Posted by: wigandiver (130) Report abuse
Yet you have a tendency to agree with just one side.

Corbyn abided by Jack Merrit's dad's wishes by not politicising his death, which would have been so easy to do after the Conservative's track record, but unlike Johnson he acted with dignity. Not a word Johnson, Buckland, or Patel would recognise.

If you don't like reading, try watching BBC news tonight at 10pm. You may learn something.

Posted by: firefox (154) Report abuse
No, I won't watch the biased news channel.

"
Yet you have a tendency to agree with just one side."

"In a searing rebuke, Mr Merritt's father David, an estates manager at a sixth form college and Labour activist, said last night: 'Don't use my son's death, and his and his colleague's photos - to promote your vile propaganda.


When terrorist attacks happen, they mush be spoken about.
Both sides of the commons are right to talk about it, instead both sides are using it as a football, the father included.

Posted by: wigandiver (130) Report abuse
"No, I won't watch the biased news channel."

No more than I expected.

They must, (not mush), be spoken about, but in a reasoned, rational way, not making cheap political point scoring as Johnson did, but Corbyn did not.

Beyond disgusting is what Mr Merrit had to say about Johnson, and him being "an estates manager at a sixth form college and Labour activist" is irrelevant.

It was his son that was killed. Have some respect.

From the Guardian article:

"Efforts by the government to tackle radicalisation in prison have been heavily criticised. Ian Acheson, a former prison governor who chaired a review of radicalisation in prisons, found it to be rife and made recommendations, which he says have not been implemented. One of his key recommendations was to segregate jihadist prisoners in specialist jails. But so far only a handful of prisoners have been placed in them, none of whom are engaging effectively with the work.

Once released, Khan was placed on a multi-agency public protection arrangement (Mappa), which would have involved probation, police and prison working together to manage him in the community.

Looking at the efficacy of the probation sector’s involvement, the impact of cost-cutting cannot be ignored. A report by the probation inspectorate on the Midlands division that would have been responsible for Khan, who was based in Staffordshire, found the service buckling under “substantial staff shortages” and workloads at 130% to 150% over capacity."

Posted by: firefox (154) Report abuse
I stopped reading a "No more than I expected".

Labours stance is the same as the Tory party. Both culpable, both disgusting, but you choose to follow Corbyn. I care not, he is a spent (non) force. and will ge gone in days.

Posted by: wigandiver (130) Report abuse
"Labours stance is the same as the Tory party."
That will come as a big surprise to Corbyn and Johnson.

The Conservatives have been in power for nine years yet still blame previous governments. Their policies have got us in the mess the Justice system is in.
Surprised Keir Hardie, or Ramsay Macdonald haven't been blamed.

As Andrew Marr said to Johnson "you can't keep saying, it's not me guv".

Try reading what Professor Ian Acheson, a former prison governor, said, or is he left wing and biased ?

I'll leave it now. That wall is hard and my head hurts.

Posted by: firefox (154) Report abuse
Don't dive into walls then..


Posted by: baker boy (14990) Report abuse
good old backers of the workers,for the many not the phew,something smmmmeeeeelllllsssss.

Posted by: wigandiver (130) Report abuse
For those who can read.

Bedroom tax.
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&ei=G_XmXcacENLRxgPQqKnwDQ&q=what+year+was+the+bedroom+tax+introduced&oq=bedroom+tax+introduced&gs_l=psy-ab.1.2.0l2j0i5i30l2j0i8i30l5j0i8i10i30.2884.3757..7219...0.2..0.74.256.4......0....1..gws-wiz.......0i71j0i13j0i13i5i30j0i8i13i30.IsJ2XEztWXQ


Tuition fees. Increased from £1,000 per year under Labour to £9,000 under the coalition.

I'm sure some people can research and read this.
Some don't.






Posted by: tonker (20097)   Report abuse
They say they don't have enough police manpower to tackle crime. People report witnessing assaults and burglaries, only to have the police roll up two hours after the crime report.
This is because of a shortage of manpower. Or so they have us believe.

However. Monday morning and Wigan council had the assistance of two dozen officers, in a dozen police vehicles, and a team of bailifs, just to evict a couple of Irish Gypoes from an illegal site in Ashton.
They'd have sent three dozen, only they're short of manpower!

Posted by: Zanzibar Spangles (3822) Report abuse
Posted by: wigandiver (120)
Corbyn abided by Jack Merrit's dad's wishes by not politicising his death,

Really?

Posted by: firefox (154) Report abuse
For those that can read and can utilise their congisance.

Bedrom tax. where and why


Why did you change the direction of the thread, is it because you were diving into shallow pools?

Posted by: basil brush (12707) Report abuse
There's a few people changed direction, on here, as it a thread about a scumbag terrorist being shot

Posted by: whups (4107)   Report abuse
no mention of the white guy that murdered the 12yr old child with his car ? .

Posted by: firefox (154) Report abuse
Which one, Whups? They one born in this Country otr the murderer imported under Blair's open doors policy?

Could you at least link to a story,so we know you aren't making this one up as well?

Posted by: wigandiver (130) Report abuse
For your cognisance, not congisance.

"How does the bedroom tax work? As part of a host of benefit changes introduced on 1 April 2013 under the Welfare Reform Act 2012, the government removed what it called the spare room subsidy.27 Jan 2016"

From:
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=who+introduced+the+bedroom+tax

Posted by: baker boy (14990) Report abuse
i have to admit walshy is right this topic is about a scumbag terrorist.who the hell mentioned bedroom tax.

Posted by: firefox (154) Report abuse
The diver who wants to pull me on a typo.

Let's bring Abbott and her cover up regarding her biting child...Nah, let's not bother.

(The so-called “bedroom tax” was inspired by an identical policy created by the last Labour government)


Blair is the reason that terrorists walk our streets, and Corbyn will appauld them along the way. Well, he would, but he will never be PM.

Posted by: wigandiver (130) Report abuse
Inspired, not introduced.

Posted by: wigandiver (130) Report abuse
"who the hell mentioned bedroom tax."

Look at 17.50 3 December.

Posted by: firefox (154) Report abuse
Wigan Diva has it.

Inspired. They 'Insoired' it.

Back to the terrrorists.

All hail the rat

Posted by: baker boy (14990) Report abuse
wigan diver
so you had to divert the topic from terrorist scum to political points scoring about bedroom tax.

Posted by: firefox (154) Report abuse
It was on an image I posted, BB. Bedrooom tax was inspired by labour...The rest of the list were inspired and implemented by labour. For the people, not the Jew.

Posted by: TerryW (2606) Report abuse

Posted by: firefox (154) Report abuse

Posted by: wigandiver (130) Report abuse
"so you had to divert the topic from terrorist scum to political points scoring about bedroom tax."

Not me. Firefox. "It was on an image I posted"

Posted by: TerryW (2606) Report abuse
That's one ugly woman Firefox.

Posted by: firefox (154) Report abuse
"Not me. Firefox. "It was on an image I posted""
He couldn't read my comment, so you posted it again as he reads yours, diva? Nothing like a little self importance. In your head, yes.


Oh dear

 
 
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