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Started by: chatty (6983)  Report abuse
Thinks the poor souls in a towering inferno should have used their "common sense"


It's already been pointed out that the "common sense" thing to do was not cover buildings with
flammable cladding or cut emergency services to the bone.
There's a woman who lives a few miles down the road from this catastrophe who we are all chucking in for so she can have a £300 Million refurb.
I'm guessing she wont be having any 'flammable cladding'.

Posted by: firefox (77) Report abuse

Interesting (and truthful)reading
https://www.spectator.co.uk/2019/11/toxic-regulations-not-the-fire-brigade-are-to-blame-for-the-grenfell-deaths/

Posted by: Anne (3561)  Report abuse
Taking the compulsory emergency drill aboard passenger ships I have often wondered if it would be best to do my own thing in the event of sinking/fire etc. I normally book a high balcony cabin. If it meant using narrow enclosed corridors, interior stair wells in order to get to my assigned muster point which usually has no quick outside access would it not be better to stay on the balcony, or, do as instructed?
I think given certain circumstances common sense would prevail.







Posted by: grimshaw (1937)  Report abuse
Rees fogg.

Another knob wobbling tory twonk who should be consigned to join the rats in the nearest sewer cept the rats would leave in disgust .

Posted by: TerryW (2521) Report abuse
I agree, Anne. I can't see me waiting for something to put me or my family in danger, I would act accordingly to get to safety. I was given this sense when born and won't hesitate to use it.

Posted by: chatty (6983)  Report abuse
I'm sure we would all 'act accordingly' and use our 'common sense' when sat on the couch mulling it over with hindsight.
Being trapped inside a raging towering inferno might make us act and think a little 'unaccordingly' especially the disabled or elderly.

Posted by: whups (3917)   Report abuse
maybe if you were at the top of a tower block& not in a downstair basement you might have second thoughts on running into it . but it just shows how much contempt the torys have for the common man & women.

Posted by: Anne (3561)  Report abuse
I was once on a ship when fire broke out, granted it was in dock at the time. the first thing I did was open the cabin door looked out then decided to stand on the balcony with the patio doors closed behind me. a number of other people were doing exactly the same thing looking down to where smoke was coming from. Nothing serious but who knows.

Posted by: gaffer (6135)   Report abuse
From the official report,

Despite praising the bravery and commitment to duty shown by individual firefighters, Sir Martin said that this could not “mask or excuse the deficiencies in the command and conduct of operations”.

An analysis of the events on the night of the fire revealed a number of “significant systemic and operational failings” on the side of the LFB. These include the amount of time it took to override the ‘stay put’ policy. The report concludes that a decision to organise an evacuation could and should have been made between 1.30am and 1.50am and would likely have meant fewer fatalities. The report adds that the best part of an hour was lost before stay put advice was revoked.

According to Sir Martin, the early incident commanders failed to effectively seize control of the situation.

Meanwhile, those who were responsible for managing information from 999 calls failed to establish a clear system for receiving, recording and transmitting information, meaning much was left to the initiative and improvised methods of individual officers. The report brands this a “deplorable state of affairs”.

There are many reasons listed for the failures in communications, including problems with defective physical or electronic communication systems, which “significantly limited the efficiency of search and rescue operations inside the tower”.

Posted by: Zanzibar Spangles (3731) Report abuse
Using the same title of another thread to suggest there is an equivalence between Mogg and corbyn is ludicrous.
Corbyn sympathises and supports people that would do this deliberately
Mogg just gave his opinion on what he would do in a certain situation

“I think if either of us were in a fire, whatever the fire brigade said, we would leave the burning building. It just seems the common sense thing to do.”

I can't see anything nasty in that statement.
If you can leave the building then why stay put.
Remember:
Get out. Stay out

Posted by: chatty (6983)  Report abuse
You may not have seen anything 'nasty' in that statement.
but on reflection Rees-Mogg did, hence:

"Mr Rees-Mogg "profoundly apologised" for his comments on Tuesday, saying: "What I meant to say is that I would have also listened to the fire brigade's advice to stay and wait at the time."

And so did that buffon Bridgen who tried to defend him but also ended up issuing an apology!

Posted by: Zanzibar Spangles (3731) Report abuse
Yes, the man apologised, as good men do, regardless.

Posted by: chatty (6983)  Report abuse
And you just tried to defend him so.....?

Posted by: chatty (6983)  Report abuse
Your 'as good men do, regardless' bit.
Is that you saying he was actually in the right (or he thinks he's in the right) but being a 'good man' he apologised anyway?(especially with an election coming up).

Posted by: Salmon & Ball (400)  Report abuse
Go easy on him, Chatty.
He's not recovered from the last bout with you regarding the homeless. I think he's still in shock

Posted by: chatty (6983)  Report abuse
To be honest I'm surprised he hasn't disputed it happening, with his track record.

Posted by: TerryW (2521) Report abuse
The homeless he left and went home after taking a photo to post on a website then salved his conscience by leaving a few bob for them. No common sense used on this occasion.

Posted by: Salmon & Ball (400)  Report abuse
Being the good man that he is he left him a few bob.

Whats wrong with that?
Plenty wouldn't have!

Posted by: TerryW (2521) Report abuse
Plenty wrong with it, it was payment for a photo so he could prove a point. He had no intention of helping the person or making sure they were safe, the photo was more important so he could cock stride on here with the "evidence" that there was a rough sleeper in town.

Posted by: Salmon & Ball (400)  Report abuse
Are you sure?
Were you there to witness this?
Did you speak to anyone involved in this incident?
Have you any hard evidence to back your statement up?

Or, is it just your opinion?

Posted by: chatty (6983)  Report abuse
The homeless he photographed to show all the naysayers that people are sleeping rough on our streets.
But guess what they still tried to deny it happening.
And they still seem to have their noses out of joint!

Posted by: baker boy (14908) Report abuse
common sense to flee a burning building thats this topic's question.
i for one would not have wasted my time in phoning the fire brigade,i would have ushered my precious one's out of that building as fast as i possibly could.
politicians these days dare not comment on such issue's for fear of an unwarranted attack on themselves.
i presume this ,it's only my viewpoint ,but i bet a considerable number ,if not all of those families minutes later where regretting the advice they where given.
whose responsibility it was to ensure the safety of the building should be brought to book.they failed in a most terrible way imaginable.

Posted by: TerryW (2521) Report abuse
You photographed instead of helping to prove your point like I said. Makes no odds how you try to make it look that's what you did. Just shows how concerned you are about the homeless. More of a concern to get one over on someone on WW more like. Well done you.

Posted by: chatty (6983)  Report abuse
Part of the topics question was, why did the less well off end up living in a fire hazard, and why are vital services being cut to the bone?
You for one may 'not have wasted anytime' but plenty in that building were disabled and elderly, and may not have been able to get out under their own steam even if they had the chance!

Posted by: chatty (6983)  Report abuse
Go fly a kite Tez.
Your mate Spangler was so adamant they didn't exist he made a special trip up town to photograph empty doorways.
Why on earth then would I not use photographic evidence to show he was talking absolute bollocks!

Posted by: baker boy (14908) Report abuse
chatty
who knew it was a fire hazard ,surely the fire brigade issued a safety certificate.
someone somewhere must by law have carried out flammabilty test's.
i am elderly ,but i would still have fled as fast as possible.
what happened to the family of the flat whose fridge/freezer exploded/set alight ,who did they warn.

Posted by: Zanzibar Spangles (3731) Report abuse
If I was talking bollox why did you refuse to walk thru the town centre with me.
The offer still stands

Posted by: TerryW (2521) Report abuse
Not my mate, I don't know the chap.

What you did was obnoxious and you know it. So stop with the photographic evidence BS.

Posted by: chatty (6983)  Report abuse
Why the hell do I need to walk through the town centre with you, you are the one in denial.
Do you need someone to walk you past where Grenfel tower stood?

'Obnoxious' Tez?
Still ploughing on with your feigned indignation then!

bb I haven't a clue who "issued" what, but apparently there are still people living in similar identified blocks, why?
I'm quite sure you would have 'fled as fast as possible', but that's no consolation to people in wheelchairs housed in high rised deathtraps!

Posted by: elmos (2768)  Report abuse

This man not worth a toss.

Posted by: TerryW (2521) Report abuse
"feigned indignation" Far from it disgusted to be honest, what you did was lower than low but what did you care, you got your spoils and that is all that mattered. Very Christian of you.

Several times now you have used the "feigned indignation" line to avoid the facts and ease your own actions, if it was feigned on my part believe me It would have been dropped by now. Just own up to what you did was very wrong as was the reason for doing it.

Posted by: chatty (6983)  Report abuse
I took a photo get over it, and yourself!

Posted by: basil brush (12644) Report abuse
Posted by: Salmon & Ball (391) Report abuse


Are you sure?
Were you there to witness this?
Did you speak to anyone involved in this incident?
Have you any hard evidence to back your statement up?

Or, is it just your opinion?


Well said s+b

Posted by: Zanzibar Spangles (3731) Report abuse
Chatty, you don't want to because you and I both know that I am correct.
You really are a stupid man, trying to argue with someone who knows far more about the situation than you do.

Posted by: whups (3917)   Report abuse
you mean he squirmed out of it & did,nt have the decency to come & apologise himself & sent a deputy out instead.

Posted by: chatty (6983)  Report abuse
You really are a stupid man, trying to argue with someone..

Am I thicker than the bloke who has been shown photographic evidence that he is wrong and yet is still denying the fact that he is wrong???
You've seen the photo? Please explain it way to me?


I don't "want to" because I don't need to!

What would it show if I went out with you and there was no one sleeping out on the streets that night?.... It would show there was no one sleeping on the streets THAT NIGHT!

What would it show if I went out with you and there was someone sleeping out on the streets that night?...It would show what I have ALREADY PROVED there are people sleeping rough on the streets!

No point you doing a King Canute impression and flapping at the waves, the tides already been in!
Close the stable door behind you on the way out....even though the horse as already bolted!

Posted by: Zanzibar Spangles (3731) Report abuse
The offer still stands.
Put up or shut up

Posted by: chatty (6983)  Report abuse
I have put up, with photographic evidence!
Please explain said evidence away????????????

Posted by: Zanzibar Spangles (3731) Report abuse
I believe it was staged,
a walk thru the town centre on any night of your choosing eill solve it.
I'm there anyway so I won't be put out in any way shape or form.
Put up or shut up

Posted by: Salmon & Ball (400)  Report abuse
Posted by: chatty (6967)

"No point you doing a King Canute impression and flapping at the waves, the tides already been in!"

It would be a riveting night out with spangles scouring the streets of Wigan taking snaps of nothing. Especially when the only word in his voabulary is Corbyn!

I'd sooner paper a ceiling than turn out with spangles

Posted by: Zanzibar Spangles (3731) Report abuse
Of course, you wouldn't want to be proven wrong

Posted by: laughing gravy (4940) Report abuse
s&b how come you've not asked chatty this concerning the canute statemen?

Are you sure?
Were you there to witness this?
Did you speak to anyone involved in this incident?
Have you any hard evidence to back your statement up?

Or, is it just your opinion?

Posted by: chatty (6983)  Report abuse
Of course, you wouldn't want to be proven wrong
YOU ALREADY HAVE!

I believe it was staged,
Do you really think I would bother going to any sort of trouble to make a (deceitful) point!

I can fully understand that you feel embarrassed by the fact you went out on a limb and was so adamant it wasn't happening but was proved wrong, and are probably thinking for you to have any credibility on here from now on that arguing the toss may save some face, but it is just making you look preposterous!

Posted by: Zanzibar Spangles (3731) Report abuse
Offer still stands
Put up or shut up

Posted by: Salmon & Ball (400)  Report abuse
Go away you silly fool.
You are like a wasp thats eaten too much fruit extract and is looking for someone to attack after being swatted off several times.

I thought you would have learned your lesson by now after the "swatting" Chatty has given you over the past few weeks!

Go away you pest

Posted by: Zanzibar Spangles (3731) Report abuse
Put up or shut up

Posted by: Salmon & Ball (400)  Report abuse
I'll shut up. As I think you have suffered enough. The "putting" has been "put" up. And you have been humiliated. There is nothing else to add.
Can you understand that?

Now slither off and find yourself a hobby. Theres a good chap

Posted by: Zanzibar Spangles (3731) Report abuse
I'll take that as a no

Posted by: chatty (6983)  Report abuse
Offer still stands
Put up or shut up


What am I "putting up"?
I don't need anything "offering"!

I don't need to be shown anything I know for a fact, I even have evidence.
You on the other hand are desperate to try and somehow claw a slither of credibility back, but you can't!
Everybody makes mistakes nothing wrong with that, when I do hold up my hand and move on.
But to keep on swearing Black is actually White when all the evidence proves otherwise really is making you look ridiculous!

Posted by: Zanzibar Spangles (3731) Report abuse
Stay in denial then

Posted by: chatty (6983)  Report abuse
I believe it was staged,

I resent that sentence more than your inability to admit you are wrong!
I have already stated in an earlier post that I would swear on oath in any court in the land but more than that I also swore on my children's lives it wasn't staged, so for you to still question my honesty puts you beyond contempt!!!!

Posted by: chatty (6983)  Report abuse
Stay in denial then

And you my friend can stay looking like a clown with zero credibility!

Posted by: Zanzibar Spangles (3731) Report abuse
As long as I know I'm right

Posted by: basil brush (12644) Report abuse
😂😂😂@S+B

Posted by: chatty (6983)  Report abuse
A clown with zero credibility who is beyond contempt!

Posted by: Zanzibar Spangles (3731) Report abuse
And you

Posted by: grimshaw (1937)  Report abuse
Have some charity chatty .

You are giving him one hell of a beating.

Clearly he gets riled when you miss .

What an hypocrite .
What a loser.








































Posted by: chatty (6983)  Report abuse
As long as I know I'm right

That's all that matters in your world, even when you're patently not!

Posted by: chatty (6983)  Report abuse
As I have stated grimshaw, I don't give a monkeys if he thinks the moon is made of green cheese, but to question my honesty is beyond contempt!

Posted by: Zanzibar Spangles (3731) Report abuse
I know I am, even made an offer to prove it.
Put up or shut up

Posted by: chatty (6983)  Report abuse
It would 'prove' absolutely nothing.
The best it could 'prove' for YOU, is no one was sleeping rough THAT NIGHT.(You posted on numerous occasions that no one ever did)
You are obviously struggling to understand that point?

Posted by: Zanzibar Spangles (3731) Report abuse
Whilst we're on about the homeless, I found this:

I asked my friend’s little girl what she wanted to be when she grows up. She said she wanted to be Prime Minister some day. Both her parents, Labour supporters, were standing there, so I asked her, “If you were Prime Minister what would be the first thing you would do?”She replied, “I’d give food and houses to all the homeless people.” Her parents beamed, and said, “Welcome to the Labour party!” “Wow…what a worthy goal!” I told her. I continued, “But you don’t have to wait until you’re Prime Minister to do that. You can come over to my house, mow the lawn, pull weeds, sweep my drive and I’ll pay you £25. Then I’ll take you over to the grocery store where the homeless guy hangs out. You can give him the £25 to use toward food. ”She thought that over for a few seconds, then she looked me straight in the eye and asked, “Why doesn’t the homeless guy come over and do the work and you can just pay him the £25?” I smiled and said: "Welcome to the Conservative Party.”

Posted by: grimshaw (1937)  Report abuse
What a load of tosh .

Grow up you turgid knob wobbler .

Throw in the towel before you suffer more embarrassment .

Posted by: Zanzibar Spangles (3731) Report abuse
Another in denial

 
 
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