Wigan is traditionally a staunch Labour Party supporting Town, Wigan folk have elected Labour MP's with massive majorities of 22,000+ but I wonder how folk in Wigan & Makerfield are going to vote this time in the upcoming General Election

Never voted Labour in my life.

However, it looks like they will get my vote this time. Hopefully they will halt this self destructive jingoistic Brexit nonsense.

We might get Worzel Gummidge in the short term but it's better than the ugly long term alternative

Well reading between your lines, I would say that you like Whupsy are a staunch Labour Party supporter, and you don't care about the Labour Party policies, as the saying goes, you would vote for a donkey, has long as it was a Labour Party donkey ....

I mean do people like you actually have a brain ?

Not another one😠😠😠

basil

Is your name Brenda from Bristol.

Ask the "nasty uns" they always have a name for me.

Most likely I will take the advice of this DUDE

numptys like you will vote which ever the wind blows & send us down the river 1stroke.

Aye and Tom Watson has stepped down, I think it is because the Labour Party are selecting momentum supporting candidates, to stand in the election, what'Militant' failed to do in the early 1980s 'Momentum' have done in less than three years.

another load of crap . it,s people like you that will sell us down the river . why dont you use some momentum & pay your tax bill.

And why don't you vote for a party other than the Labour Party

Tommy 2 Strokes - traditionally, Wigan is a Conservative town !

Wigan ‘parliamentary constituency’ is, traditionally, Labour.

Whups, will you be voting for Connor McGinn?

"I mean do people like you actually have a brain ?"

Pot/kettle indeed.

"Well reading between your lines, I would say that you like Whupsy are a staunch Labour Party supporter"

Read my post again (on the lines this time) and stop embarrassing yourself sonny boy.

Why are people making a big song and dance about who they are going to vote for?

I couldn’t give a monkeys whose box you tick and it certainly won’t influence my decision.........when/if I make one that is

I don't give a monkeys about any of it, I'm sick of seeing crappy politics threads

I will be voting for a leave party candidate.
Failing that, Conservative.

I think there is going to be a lot of tactical voting, there is a few more parties these days and labour and Tories will lose votes by the bucket load.

Lib Dem’s will be a good choice for the remainers wanting to make a sensible protest vote. Especially given their alliance with the greens and Pliad Cymru.

I am sure all the pundits amongst us recall what happened earlier this year in the Radnorshire by-election

Lib Dems this time for me S/D

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You vote Labour because your granny voted Labour

I'm a socialist and we've not had a party to vote for since Harold Wilson, Every nerve in my Body screams " you can't vote tory" And I won't, Although I think Boris Karloff will win and get us out of EU, But i cannot vote tory I just cannot, they stole my pension,

I bet the current interest in 'The North' disappears like rain on the desert sands, once the election has passed.

TTS, you couldn't be more wrong.

I have NEVER voted labour. I am blue through and through.

That's why I am a Manchester City fan, I can't stand anything red!

The problem is Boris is, and always has been, a buffoon. Catweazle is also unpalatable but at least there is a chance of staying in the EU with him and his cronies.

Vote for an honest man,that can only
Mean labour.

Tomplum:

"I'm a socialist and we've not had a party to vote for since Harold Wilson"

Exactly,, The Labour Party has now become a southern based, Marxist, Leninist, Communist Party, and my views about things are socialist views, in that the utilities should be state owned, along with public transport, but if you don't vote Labour, it doesn't mean that you have to vote Tory, because OK Boris gets us out of the EU at the end of December, two weeks after he wins the General Election with a majority, but that leaves us then with a right wing Tory Government for the next five years, so there is no way that I am going to get a bus pass before I am dead, and they probably won't let me retire either, they have already done me out of a year of retirement, and as regards the election I am in a quandary, I don't want to vote Tory, but neither do I want to vote Brexit Party, so I was going to just spoil me ballot paper, but I can't do that either, because I am on a postal vote now

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Listen Einstein,, I can smell a smart arse from over 20 miles away, and it smells of poo, you are a Labour Party donkey, so admit it ....

"I can smell a smart arse from over 20 miles away, and it smells of poo, you are a Labour Party donkey, so admit it ...."

There's only one ass on this thread and that's the one who started it.

At the risk of attracting the ‘wrong’ posters LOL!!!!, I’m going to vote for BoJo.
I could never vote for IRA supporter and all round Commie, Citizen Corbyn.
Why do Labour and Lib Soddin’ Dems think they can overrule the will of the people of this country by supporting ‘Bremain’?

Do I like everything the Tories stand for, NO.
Do I agree with everything BoJo says, NO.
It’s a case of ‘the lesser of two evils’.
But I do think that of all the parties, BoJo is the most likely one to get us out of Europe, which is what I voted for.

Well all parties are promising the earth aren't they? And what happened to politics being banned from this site?

Hear hear Ray.

Been saying that for ages, kath.

Kath. It's far too important not to be discussed, it involves us all.

I just wish admin would have made a seperate thread for this crap

They did, then they removed it

people vote labour because they want to save the NHS unlike a numpty like you 1stroke.

I can't vote for Labour when they have a leader who has openly payed his respects to IRA terrorists who have killed and maimed for many years and is doing nothing to stop the antisemitism that fills the party. These things you cannot deny Whups, but if these things don't bother you and you can overlook all those deaths just because it's under the name of Labour then I feel sorry for you but I will feel more sorry for the country if he gets in.

Let the NHS question be answered.

Start off with 2 columns and put Labour in the left one an Conservative in the right one... easy so far?
Now put the number of years each has been in power during the 70 years of the NHS in each column.
Now put the investment from each party in.
How about the number of workers next.
Then put in the number of PFI contracts, zero hours workers employed, out-sourced cleaners, catering and porters.
Don't forget to put in who started prescription charges, dental fees and optician charges.
Now put in how many hospitals each have sold.

What result do you get?


by the way, The Labour Party didn't create the NHS, Churchill had it in his Manifesto. In fact, it was an all party creation, the only reason labour are credited is because the Minister of Health, Aneurin Bevan, was given the task of introducing the service. I thank all parties for it's creation. Long gone are the days of good politics.

Good post Firefox. Don't forget that in 1962 when Enoch was minister of health he forwarded the Hospital Plan for England and Wales which was the building block to develop hospital services leading to new hospitals being built and older ones being refurbished which have been the backbone of the NHS ever since.

I too thank them all and have been very grateful of the service over the years.

Long before the NHS came into being I still cannot quite grasp how I was able to have operations on both eyes, one at a time, aprox.1944 and 45. My mother was a stay at home housewife my father a building site worker. Therefore the cost would have been out of the question. 1945 my brother was born in Billinge hospital, I remember going to see him. Same question concerning cost. I know there was some sort of scheme. What was it? If they could manage in their circumstances why didn't others?

Was it not the compulsory insurance scheme for workers Anne?

No idea Terry. If it was compulsory it must have worked for others, sounds like a small scale NHS

Anyone thinking of voting Brexit may as well stay at home, it's a pointless wasted vote.

LOL!!!!!, nice one Priscus

Found this Anne.

"For most people, however, the doctor’s fee of around sixpence (let alone the cost of any medicines prescribed) would have been beyond reach. As a result, two schemes provided an alternative for working-class patients.


One was the health insurance element of National Insurance, introduced in 1911 by Liberal Chancellor of the Exchequer David Lloyd George and expanded throughout the 1920s and 1930s. This was a compulsory insurance scheme for workers in certain industries, though it generally did not cover family members. The insurance granted access to a doctor from the local panel when needed, but usually didn’t stretch as far as hospital treatment.

The other scheme was membership of one of the various community-owned mutual aid funds and medical clubs, into which working people could pay while times were good. They would receive access to a doctor, medicines and sometimes hospital treatment without having to see the almoner, by means of paying in advance."

Interesting Terry, thanks.

I did ask my mother what she remembered about NHS coming into being. Her reply was, "I no-longer had to pay the Doctor half a crown a week for you!"

you,ll be back paying if johnson & his cronys get in.

Towards the end of 1946 when the Health Bill became an act of Parliament the hospital doctors and GP's withdrew their cooperation with the government and refused to negotiate. They said that they would be on the government payroll as paid employees as if they were in a socialist state. To get them back to the table Aneurin Bevan told them that they could still practice in a private capacity. The GP's then became private practice holders and the hospital doctors went on to have private patients in hospital beds.
Bevan said he had to stuff the doctor’s mouths with gold to get the NHS off the ground.
When the NHS came into being in 1948 the population of the UK was 48 million. Life expectancy for men was 66 and for women 71.
70 years later the NHS commissioners spent, in the last financial year, 7% of their income on private sector providers.
The NHS spend on services, for the same period, provided by the voluntary, not-for-profit sectors and local authorities came to about 11% of total income
Add in GPs, pharmacy, optical and dental services paid for by the NHS then the total NHS spend with the private sector is about 25% of total income
The UK population now stands at 68 million and adjusting for life expectancy changes, currently 72 for men and 82 for women, is equivalent to 79 million at 1948 levels.
Demand for health care on such an expanding scale brings virtually insurmountable challenges. A problem most western
Governments are facing.
A recent study in Germany suggests closing 800 of the 1400, mainly small, hospitals and putting the staff and money into
600 hospitals. Only two thirds of the 1400 hospitals have a CT scanner.

Started by: Tommy Two Stroke (3806)

"Wigan is traditionally a staunch Labour Party supporting Town, Wigan folk have elected Labour MP's with massive majorities of 22,000"

In answer to your question.
I'm voting Labour

i am surprised.

Donkeys

i think that,s you 1stroke with your tax return in your mouth .

I know a person would vote for a pig if it had a labour rosette pin to it.
I thought they'd draw a line at people that support and encourage terrorism.
Just shows that there are still evil people without conscience about

you know nothing who supports terrorism ? .tonker i will indeed vote for connor mcguinn

@ Spangles.

"Under Labour, there would be a £150bn "social transformation fund". This would pay for upgrades to schools, hospitals, social care facilities and council homes and would be spent over five years - an average of £30bn a year.

In addition, a £250bn "green transformation fund" would be spent over ten years, averaging £25bn a year. This would be spent on projects to improve sustainability, such as energy and transport, and insulating existing homes."

Im voting for the above.
Does that mean I'm supporting terrorism

Ive told you before. You are going to end up with a breakdown if you carry on spouting your hatred & drivel as its eating away at you!

They say this, they say that,
They said they would respect the result of the referendum.
Don't hold your breath

why dont you just vote toy & sell us all down the river.

Spangles.
Spout and aim your hatred and drivel at Farage.
He's the best weapon that Labour have!

Labour don't need to do anything as Farage will pinch votes off the tories for them!

In the meantime, take a few calms or go out and take another photo of the Minorca as the last one was a bit blurred. There's a good chap

Always calm, why wouldn't I be