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What Brexit / Europe means to me.
Started by: Dave xl5 (289)  Report abuse
What Europe should have been to me;
An open market to all members, where they could have argued over the shape of bananas, or colour and size of eggs. I don't care about that, it would have given them something to do. The rest should have been left to the member governments. Movement of people, support for industries etc. In short, the market and nothing else. Now it's all falling apart, and all the bullying and threatening, won't keep it together. Sadly the nationalist will win in the end. And then if you're not careful you end up with a Trump!

Posted by: section 8 (2873)  Report abuse
It's ok, Dave. They will be happy as they like Trump and would welcome a leader like him.

Posted by: broady (12649)   Report abuse
Surely the time to judge the merits of a horse is at the end of the race and not in the first few yards.

Posted by: roylew (2407) Report abuse
Anyone predict a time of the next world war.....30 years for me

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (1772) Report abuse
It is rather interesting to learn that Peugeot is going to buy Vauxhall.

So why is Peugeot buying Vauxhall?

Why not long after the brexit vote, did France clear the jungle camp in Calais.

Is it because the French want to keep ties to Britain open after we leave the EU?

Surely if brexit was going to be such a bad thing, Peugeot and Nissan would be pulling out of Britain, not investing in Britain.

You can have politicians coming out with hot air about brexit, but actions speak louder than words and on about car production, Nissan and Peugeot are actually doing something about it and they are dooing good, they are investing in Britain

I wonder if that deep down, the French would rather be with us, they would rather be aligned with the British, rather than the Germans, because historically Germany is a bad un in Europe, because they want to be 'King of the Castle' and another name for the EU could be to call it 'Greater Germany

Posted by: Dave xl5 (289)  Report abuse
broady, If you mean Trump. In my opinion Ronald Reagan was a poor actor who became poor President, Trump is a terrible President who is also a terrible actor.

Posted by: broady (12649)   Report abuse
Shergar never led after one hundred yards of a race. I have no idea how Trump will turn out but I can't see him being any worse than that lame duck Obama. Could be worse!! They could have warmonger Blair.

Posted by: aussie94 (1576) Report abuse
I hope all turns out well post brexit.
But who knows

Posted by: section 8 (2873)  Report abuse
"Surely the time to judge the merits of a horse is at the end of the race and not in the first few yards."

Not if the horse is running in the wrong direction.

The guy is a laughing stock and an embarrassment.

Posted by: broady (12649)   Report abuse
In your opinion!! Have you actually asked any Americans, those people that voted him in, their opinions. All I will say is that the ones I spoke to they didn't agree with Madonna, Meryll Streep etc.

Posted by: Dave xl5 (289)  Report abuse
broady.
As you say everybody has their own opinion you, me the people who voted for Trump. And the majority of Americans, or so I'm led to believe; who didn't vote for Trump!

Posted by: section 8 (2873)  Report abuse
"Have you actually asked any Americans, those people that voted him in, their opinions."

Just like a lot of embarrassed Brexiters who now know what they actually voted for post referendum, Trump voters will put the blinkers on and ignore the negatives and how idiotic he looks.

It's human nature to not admit to making a mistake.

Posted by: Diston (99) Report abuse
Trump will be the best president since Kennedy,He is not a puppet of the globalist elite like Bushes and Clintons,Thats why the establishment are out to get him.

Posted by: nyce horse (3191) Report abuse
I see war criminal bliar is gobbin' off again, thinks brexit voters should be given another chance to vote the right way. Unbelievable.

Posted by: copperhead (1414)  Report abuse
Blair wants us to keep on voting until we get it right.That's the way Dictators and despot get their way.

Posted by: PeterP (6112) Report abuse
I think most people who voted to leave including myself want our country to be run by US not some un-elected overpaid faceless politician sat in Brussels or any other city they think they can veto from.If we are not satisfied with our elected politicians then we can vote them out.Again all overseas aid should be stopped and the money spent over here,We are into 2017 and we have homeless people and others reliant on FOOD BANKS this used to happen in the late 1800 early 1900 and should not be happening over here are we heading for a 3rd world country. Again immigration should be sorted out and undesirables removed back to their own country non of this its a breach of their human rights or they have married a british person if they commit a crime don't even jail them over here send them home and let their own country jail them.

Posted by: whups (2350)  Report abuse
blair never led us into war . if anyone can remember that it was 650 mps who voted for it ? .

Posted by: GOLDEN BEAR (2924)  Report abuse
Very well spoken "WHUPS" I do not particular like TONY BLAIR ,but i do wish people would get things correct and you are spot on with your comment about Parliament voting to go to war. Then again i think they did not understand what it was all about and probably needed another vote????

Posted by: grimshaw (729)  Report abuse
Spot on whups .

Posted by: jouell (4332) Report abuse
My friends and neighbours are Southern Baptist, they and Evangelicals all across the Deep South voted for Trump..

I asked why and I was told, they believe he will trigger wars and bring on Armageddon and the second coming of Jesus Christ, who will raise them all up to Heaven..

Posted by: ena1958 (6295) Report abuse
Good grief.

Posted by: Diston (99) Report abuse
jourel, your friends and neighbours would have been better voting for Clinton if thats what they want,her campaing to become president was backed with millions of dollars by the top five arms manufacturers in America.

Posted by: ena1958 (6295) Report abuse
I think it's Trump's attitude and vocabulary that will cause the problems.

Posted by: jouell (4332) Report abuse
Diston, apparently they all thought Trump was the one.. I guess we all have to wait and see if they were right in their way of thinking or not..

Posted by: Diston (99) Report abuse
jouell, Well lets just hope your friends are wrong for every ones sake.

Posted by: Dave xl5 (289)  Report abuse
Jouell

Why would our Lord wish to give paradise to the people who put the gun into the hands of the killer. If he is not happy with his creation he can remove it from history at anytime. He doesn't need any person on earth to come up with any kind elaborate plan of world events to do it for him. They should know that not everyone in the world is a bad person, and I'm sure God's not a video game player.

Posted by: jouell (4332) Report abuse
Dave, I can't answer that. I am just saying the reason so many people voted for him... My friends are good, honest, law abiding, really nice people..
All the different religions believe in what they believe and believe their religion to be the one and only true religion.. I don't know how else to explain it...

Posted by: Dave xl5 (289)  Report abuse
Jouell
As you say your friends Will believe what they wish to believe, no matter what you or I do. All I would say to them is that our Lord Jesus Christ was a man of peace and love, not a peddler hate and misery. Vote for love not war!

Posted by: nyce horse (3191) Report abuse
Praise the Lord, and pass the ammunition.

Posted by: broady (12649)   Report abuse
Section,
Just to reiterate how many Us voters have you spoken to.??




Posted by: section 8 (2873)  Report abuse
52

How many have you spoken to?

Posted by: broady (12649)   Report abuse
Seven.

Posted by: broady (12649)   Report abuse
So all 52 had ther same opinions as you??

Posted by: section 8 (2873)  Report abuse
I commend you for your thorough research from which you formulate your opinion. The opinions of seven people will give a clear indication of the feeling of the other 300 million other US citizens.

I hope for your sake that you made that number up, just like i did.





Posted by: madamehmurray (5911)   Report abuse
my parents were in Hawaii and everything there is pricey

Posted by: laughing gravy (2558) Report abuse
so you are a admitted liar then section 8,if so i hope people now ignore everything you post!! LIAR

Posted by: aussie94 (1576) Report abuse
Thank God I live in Australia , a long way from the nutters.

Posted by: jarvo (27699)  Report abuse
Yeah, we thank God you live in Australia...

A long way from us...

Posted by: aussie94 (1576) Report abuse
jarvo ,my friend why such an outburst. I will tell you why , YOU are a mean little man . Grow up !

Posted by: broady (12649)   Report abuse
Section 8,
I would love to do a more thorough examination but I met those people in bars in Orlando recently and can't afford to meet any more. I know you and your ilk are sworn to secrecy but have you ever set foot in the USA?

Posted by: broady (12649)   Report abuse
Whups,
I cannot remember what the Government Whips told the sheep to vote for or if it was a free vote. Can you? If the Whips were out in force they followed Blair's instructions so in effect it was Blair who authorized the war.

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (1772) Report abuse
Blair brow beat his party into voting for the Iraq war, there was a lot of MP's who did not want that war and he got his vote by producing the dodgy dossier about WMD's capable of being deployed in minutes.

The closest I ever came to voting for Labour, was in 1997 when Tony Blair seemed to tick all of the boxes required, because after years of being in power, the Conservatives had become stale and John Major was a weak leader, but history as shown him to be a decent sort of bloke, but on polling day in 1997 in the voting booth I couldn't do it and I voted for a looney instead, if there is no official monster raving looney candidate, I vote for the candidate who I think is closest to being a looney, because you always have a few crack pots standing in general elections, as well as the main political party candidates.

But for me history as shown that Tony Blair was a good leader, but definitely not a decent man, the exact opposite of John Major.

Tony Blair and George Bush were war mongers, who both had some religious notion that they were doing good, by ridding the world of bad dictators, John Prescott who was Tony Blair's deputy PM said that Tony Blair wanted to go round the world invading everybody.

Posted by: jathbee (8147) Report abuse
Posted by: aussie94 (1210)1,000+ Report abuse
jarvo ,my friend why such an outburst. I will tell you why , YOU are a mean little man . Grow up !

Replied: 18th Feb 2017 at 08:37

Mean minded in every way, is Jarvis. And a self opinionated fool who lives in his tiny, narrow minded little world of music, Rupert the Bear and the Wolves .

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (1772) Report abuse
Wigan beat Wolves

Posted by: whups (2350)  Report abuse
it dosent matter . they voted & thats that. i dont particulally like blair but it wasnt him who took us into war.

Posted by: section 8 (2873)  Report abuse
"I know you and your ilk are sworn to secrecy but have you ever set foot in the USA?"

Secrecy?? What is it you actually want to know about me?? What difference does it make if I've ever been to the USA. Do you need to come to Wigan to know what is going on in the town??

Trump is a disgrace and has the mentality of a spoiled child. All but one of the 52 made up people agree with me.




Gravy "so you are a admitted liar then section 8,if so i hope people now ignore everything you post!! LIAR"

Oh dear I've been sussed. Everything I've ever said must be a lie because I sarcastically made something up.





Posted by: spiderwoman (841) Report abuse
I never liked Tony Blair and I never voted for him. It was obvious he was smarmy and a phoney, just very good at giving speeches and persuading people to his way of thinking.

As for Trump, he is straight talking, tells it like it is. He isn't articulate like other politicians and just says what he thinks. Time will tell whether he will be a great president or a terrible one. I like what he is doing so far and definitely prefer him over Clinton.

Posted by: ena1958 (6295) Report abuse
Unless you lived in Blair's constituency you never had the opportunity to vote for him.

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (1772) Report abuse
It is a common saying, as you well know, in that in a General Election, when you vote for your local political candidate, you are also voting for the leader of that party to be Prime minister

Posted by: spiderwoman (841) Report abuse
Thanks Tommy, that's what I meant, voting in the General Election. Ena trying to be clever again.

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (1772) Report abuse
Yes, she is trying to be clever isn't she

Posted by: jathbee (8147) Report abuse
Posted by: copperhead (1391) View copperhead's page1,000+ Report abuse

Blair wants us to keep on voting until we get it right.That's the way Dictators and despot get their way.

Replied: 17th Feb 2017 at 15:16

Indeed, copperhead, indeed. So does Sturgeon, Blair and the rest of the remoaners. Democracy means the majority rules, not the minority.

Posted by: aussie94 (1576) Report abuse
Time will tell who was right or wrong in brexit, from afar I will a have a few bob on Tony.

Posted by: ena1958 (6295) Report abuse
Just stating a fact.

 
 
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