The Road To Nowhere

Does anyone know anything about The Road to Nowhere? This is what I call the proposed new road which our esteemed council are intending to build from the M6/M58 to the M61 and which is planned to pass to the south of Wigan, Ince and Hindley to Atherton.

It is a work in progress.

Ok. Does anyone think it will do anything to relieve the traffic congestion on the A577, road from Ince to Hindley and the A58 road from Platt Bridge through Hindley?

chris southworth

What is your opinion of these proposed new roads, do YOU think it will help to relieve the traffic congestion through Ince, Hindley Platt Wazz, Hindley Green etc

This bypass,which has been modified several times was included in the road plan for Lancashire way back in 1949,Route 225,then Route 5225,that's how new it is.

Hasn't all this been done before?

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Lets hope the road from the M6/M58 junction down to Pemberton gets the go ahead.

You betcha.

This proposed new road is just the latest in a long line of road schemes supposedly designed to alleviate the traffic congestion in and around Wigan,Ince Hindley, Hindley Green abd Atherton. This road or at least a previous version of it should have been built years ago when they had a choice of two or three different routes. But for various reasons, usually financial, it never got built. So now Wigan Council are resurrecting the scheme. Trouble is they are a bit restricted for space to build it on now.The only place they can put the stretch from Ince to Hindley is right across Amberswood Common, which used to be one big wasteland due to past ravages of mining and tipping. Now however it has been transformed into a lovely area for nature recreation and fresh air.
However, putting aside the Council's desire to completely ruin this area again, can I just highlight a couple of major errors by the council's road planners which will impact severely on Ince, Platt Bridge, Hindley, Hindley Green and Atherton.
Number 1 is in the title of my thread, The Road to Nowhere. This road scheme hasn't got an end to it. That is because the last stretch of the road from the top end of Atherleigh Way at Gibfield near Atherton to the roundabout at Chequerbent Westhoughton is on Bolton territory and won't get built because Bolton Council aren't interested in it.So the outcome of that is all the extra traffic coming off the end of the new road at Lovers Lane junction with Atherleigh Way will have to thread its way through the centre of Atherton and up Newbrook Rd to the M61.
Number 2 is however more serious for Hindley,Platt Bridge,Hindley Green and Ince.
If the stretch of road across Amberswood gets built it will finish at a set of traffic lights at its junction with the A58 Liverpool Rd. From that point to Leigh Rd at Hindley Green the next stretch of road will not be built until at least 2030. This is because the Council have handed the responsibility for financing and building that stretch to the developer who will be building the 2500 houses along the North side of the road and south of Hindley/Hindley Green. So the developer will only build the road when he thinks fit.
Therefore the end result of this is that 47,500 vehicles a day,(the council's own figures) will be coming along the new road from the M58 and then turning left along Liverpool Rd towards the Bird Ith Hand traffic lights and Market St Hindley. For at least the next 15 or so years. Anyone who has to travel through Hindley, Ince and Platt Bridge at present will surely ask, "How can this improve things?"
Does that answer your question, Sir Bob and enlighten Jarvo and Spud?
This road is only a bypass/relief road for Wigan.

Chris Southworth

The idea of the new roads is to relieve congestion in Ince, Hindley, Platt Wazz and Hindley Green and speed up journey times, when travelling from one end of the Borough to the other and the end point of the road will be at it's junction with Atherleigh Way.

What you are doing is mixing up the previous road scheme plans, with what the council want or intend or can do now.

No Sir Bob, If you care to have look at the councils own website and see the section on future transport network you will see that what I am saying is correct. The whole idea is to speed up traffic from Liverpool docks via the M58 to the M61 and then the M62. They are intent on building a new road from the M58 to the M61. But in true Wigan council style, because they aint got the money to do it all themselves, they are using a private house developer to build the most important bit in the middle, thus making a complete mockery of their intention to solve the congestion problems in Hindley by dumping a whole load of extra traffic onto Liverpool Rd and the Bird traffic lights. At the other end they assumed that Bolton would love to pay for the last bit from Atherleigh Way to Chequerbent. Of course Bolton said no, not us, we already have our own 3 connections to the M61 thank you very much. the whole scheme is outlined on the Council's own website as recently as Dec 2015. So I am NOT mixing up all the previous road schemes. This is what they are planning now. They have already been decimating trees along a lot of the proposed stretches from Pemberton to Seaman Way.

Chris Southworth, the traffic from Liverpool docks already have a motorway access all the way from Liverpool to the M61/M62. Via the M57.
Why would they want to travel all the way round Wigan on a dual carriageway?

Chris Southworth

You are still doing it, that is mixing up all the road schemes suggested over the years, into a mash of reasons, not to build the road through Amberswood, which is probably where you walk your dog.

Woof Woof

Dodger,
It is a damn sight shorter going our way than the one you are on about. It's a straight line from the docks along the M58 to Atherton. If that is not the intention behind the road, then why connect to the M6 at the junction with the M58?
Have you ever tried to go the way you suggest at peak times? The M60 from Eccles to Whitefield? Disaster zone.
Sir Bob
It's totally true what everyone on here says about you, you talk rubbish.

Woof Woof

chris ,bob said he lived in worsley mesnes ,then knew nowt about the place.the m58 starts very nearly at the north end of whats left of the docks and is most certainly the way any fool would take if the new road was opened.

And yet I lived in Mesnes, unfortunately, and it seemed that many of the residents there never referred to it as what you say everyone knew it as.

Isn't that a funny story?

bakerboy

What are you on about at all ?

If they build the new road (in sections) from the M58 to Atherton, then the idea is that traffic will use it and free up

Orrell
Pemberton
Goose Green
Nootown
Poolstock
Wigan Town Centre
Ince
Hindley
Hindley Green
Dangerous Corner
Atherton

And yes Sir Bob, what will happen in Hindley from the time the road has been built to Liverpool Rd and then stops until at least 2030?. And what state will Atherton town centre be in when or if the road stops at Atherleigh Way?

Chris Southworth

"And yes Sir Bob, what will happen in Hindley from the time the road has been built to Liverpool Rd and then stops until at least 2030?. And what state will Atherton town centre be in when or if the road stops at Atherleigh Way?"

Well it will be the same as it is now, which is 'bad' but as the new road or should I say roads, because I don't think it will be built as a continuous road, but as sections of the new road system are built, the area's it leaves behind, starting soon with Warrington Road and Poolstock Lane and then (hopefully) the central shopping area of Pemberton, those area's will have a lot less traffic flowing through them, which will be good

Sir Bob, you really are thicker than what I have been lead to believe!!!
You are just repeating what I am telling you but obviously not understanding it. I said the road is being built in sections. That is the stupid council planners problem. The whole road may never be completed at all and all the time the traffic will be growing because they will be attracting more and more businesses and people to the new estates they are planning along the route. Plus more and more traffic from Liverpool. By the council's own 2012 estimates an extra 47500 vehicles a day.

Chris Southworth

Well in that case the original plan of extending the M58 from Orrell to Bolton should be implemented then shouldn't it, as originally planned during the 1960's (and before) when the motorway network was being designed

But NIMBYS like yourself would object to that wouldn't you and call people like myself 'thick' for disagreeing with you

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Can't go along the original line now Sir Bob. The council compulsorily purchased whole streets of houses up the top of Ladies Lane in Hindley and demolished them clearing a path for the proposed new road. Then about 20 yrs ago they allowed the same land to be built on again thus forcing them to look for a way to build the road to the south of Hindley.
Yes I suppose I must be a NIMBY for objecting to something about 3 miles from where I live. I wasn't calling you thick for disagreeing with me but because you don't seem to be able to grasp the idea of what I am saying. That this road in it's present proposed form is only going to be bad for Ince,Hindley,Platt Bridge,Hindley Green ,Atherton and dare I say it Westhoughton.

What link is that peebee? Is it the council's glossy video?

Unless the last section of Atherleigh Way is completed the traffic through Atherton will be horrendous .It is jusjt moving the traffic problem somewhere else and not solving the issue.

Exactly retep1949. they are moving it farther away from Wigan, the centre of their Universe. Imagine all that traffic going up that short extension of the Atherleigh Way over Gibfield and then onto North Rd, little more than a winding country lane, on its way to Park Rd, another nightmare at rush hour.
I'm glad somebody can see the nonsense of it all.

so lapdog you where a regular in the wheel

Not really Kipling, I didn't much associate with idiots like you.

didn't think you had a pair to drink in the wheel.

She doesn't.

This is the link Chris

Ha ha ha peebee. Not quite what I was thinking!!!

Got some good company on that link though. Lynyrd Skinyrd,CCR,Eagles,Paul Simon.

The Lancashire County Council team for forward road planning was probably the most effective in the country up to it's disbandment post the 1974 Local Government Act.
Without that interruption it is highly likely the Orrell Weshoughton motorway would have been completed.
For whatever reason GM has never cut the mustard with forward planning re strategic routes.

For interest,

roads

Thank you for that link gaffer

Yea, nice link Gaffer. That tells the story as I remember it. As it says they even put a bridge on the M61 for it. It's there if you look. It would have been Junction 7.
They missed the boat with this road, should have been built back then. As it is now Wigan Council are cobbling a scheme of sorts together and as usual making a complete balls of it and backing themselves into a corner. If I could remember how to post photos and links on here I would put the council's own map on. Maybe you could Gaffer.....

I went to the last meeting at Formby Hall,it was around 1993,the brochure I got more or less said what Gaffer posted,the 5225 was due to be completed by 2000,but the chap who told me said that Wigan Council wanted it done sooner,it was stopped by the government in a review of the most important new roads,but Crewe bypass was allowed,and this road is hardly used.

Well spud1, if you live in Atherton/Tyldesley, Wigan Council's plans for this latest version of the road will make a mess of Atherton.

Chris Southworth

Is this what you are on about

wigan.gov.ukAmberswood/Overview-aerial-base.pdf

and this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9x5KqJaNRSY

A 10 second filter at the bird lights from Wigan Rd to liverpool Rd would make a big difference to the A577 problems,and cost nothing.

That isn't the thing I had in mind Sir Bob. I have seen that before. It is a bit out of date now because the roundabout on the A58 Liverpool Rd is now to be a set of lights. But you can see that the road will stop there until the next stretch is built as it says to future South Hindley development. What shows their whole proposed scheme is titled Wigan Borough Future Transport Network drawing No FTN/150729/001

Chris,

If you want to post a web page on here add the red bits to the blue address of the url.

Here it is and it's a good un, it as the entire borough on it

wigan.gov.uk/M58/Future-Transport-Network.pdf

Best to save that document and then open it with your pdf reader (Adobe) and then you can zoom in on it, it's easier than doing it via the web browser

To extend the road from Gibfield, the border between Bolton and Wigan up to the M61 at Chequerbent, now unlike 13 years ago when Bolton told Wigan to get stuffed and sod off, in that they had no interest in building the road, now decisions are made by tfgm, under the auspices of AGMA and the money for such a project would come from tfgm, not Bolton Council

That's the one Sir Bob. So you can see it has no outlet at the Atherton end and the Green bit in the middle to the south of Hindley will only be built when or even if all the houses have been built on the "South Hindley Development Site". So until at least 2030, all the traffic on the new road will come to the end of the orange bit and then get to the M61 through Hindley. If you know Hindley at peak times and quite often at off peak times, the traffic is horrendous now. Think what it will be like with all that extra traffic?
Just another thing I will throw in here. Myself being a former Mine Surveyor who then spent a further 28 years in Civil Engineering, I know a lot about the condition of the ground across Amberswood. They will have to remove vast amounts of backfill material to get down to solid ground and then make that up with imported roadstone to build the road on. All in an area with a very high water table. It will cost a hell of a lot more than the £3.8million they have budgeted for.

Well 2030 is a long time off, tfgm could take the whole thing forward and build the road in it's entirety and on and up to the M61 ,, it is only relatively recently, that Greater Manchester via AGMA have been given the money and power to make their own decisions about transport strategy

Give over, we've had our money off tfgm. It all went on the misguided busway.We'll get no more now.

is this The road To Nowhere you're on about ...... or maybe This One

Whichever, it's clear that what Chris southworth says is true.

Meanwhile Sir Bob needs to study the works of an expert, for example this man a master traffic planner and pass on his proven theories to his know-nowt friends in the council highways department. And if still in doubt, go int garden and pick up the hose, get the missus to turn ont tap and squeeze hose and you'll notice the pressure build up inside.
In other words, more volume of traffic requires either a faster speed or a much bigger road to improve traffic flow, and clearly at it's end there will be a huge bottleneck.
QED. I'd have thought any einstein would have known that.

oh, it'll be handy for all the Latics and WRLFC fans gerrin t't DW though

this was the proposed route for the M61- M6 Link road
actually an extension of the M58

M61-M6 LINK ROAD

gaffer
you posted ,whatever reason GM as not cut the mustard on forward planning,never a more
damning statement on greater mankland as ever been posted on these pages.GM cuts no mustard on any topic.
perhaps a more fitting name for said area would be muppet Manchester.

John59

There is no need to be abusive

abusive Bob ?
you need to go with the flow :-)

John59, Ha ha ha, good post mate. Thanks. Why is Sir Bob getting so touchy?

Is it pick on Bob day

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John59

There is no need to be abusive


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Oh the irony.

Roobarb