Hi mygriffiths thanks for the post.
The family were known to move about a bit. Joseph was born on Addison Street but John was born at 2 (Back) Margaret Street, Ince in 1911. My idea is to try and locate someone who lived on that street in 1911, look them up on ancestry and scroll back or forward to find Joseph and family. I have used this tactic before to get results but it is only recently that I found the right address.