jamse, I knew it, you've done exactly the same thing again, come in with a late vote
There are now 3 of you with strong feelings on this subject, why don't you start something; for example;
Wigan Worlds' Society for the Support of Sodomy, (S.S.S)
Head Gardner; d.cottrial
You could start another thread all to yourelves
"Who put the sand in the vaseline, walt?"