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OLDEST TOILET IN WIGAN
OLDEST TOILET IN WIGAN
Photo: RON HUNT
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Item #: 34773
A FEW DAYS AGO I, ALONG WITH SOME OTHER MEMBERS OF THE LOCAL HISTORY SOCIETY. HAD THE EXPERIENCE OF GOING TO THE TOP OF THE PARISH CHURCH TOWER. IN A CORNER OF THE BELL ROOM, (WHERE THE BELLS ARE RUNG FROM) BUILT INTO THE WALL. IS THIS MEDIEVAL? TOILET. PETER LEYLAND, WHO WAS SHOWING US AROUND SAID THAT THEY HAD DISCOVERED IT WENT DOWN A FEW FEET AND IT WAS THEN BLOCKED OFF. THEY DON'T KNOW IF IT WENT TO THE BOTTOM OF THE TOWER OR EXITED THROUGH THE WALL AT THAT POINT.. IT IS THOUGHT THAT AT ONE TIME, IN SOME CHURCHES, PEOPLE COULD HAVE LIVED IN THIS AREA. AS THEY HAD FOUND THE REMAINS OF FIREPLACES.
THANKS TO ANTHONY PILGRIM FOR THE PHOTO.
THERE ARE MORE IMAGES OF ANTHONY'S ON THE LOCAL HISTORY WEB SITE

Comment by: Veronica on 7th December 2023 at 12:57

I wonder if the Bonnie Prince used it! That is a fascinating piece of history. It’s amazing what is being discovered in Wigan. I wouldn’t be surprised if anything else is found with all the digging going on.

Comment by: Maureen on 7th December 2023 at 15:53

How interesting Ron,I love finds like that,the mind boggles doesn't it.
I once read a book( wish I had it now) and it told th reader all bout the hiding places in the Parish church, it was so interesting that I took the little 'un to see where the possible hiding places would have been.. around the back of the church are the doorways and steps down to the cellars where the Catholics would hide..Veronica..we were doomed .

Comment by: Veronica on 7th December 2023 at 18:02

We always were Maureen I blame that ‘enery the eighth I do.

Comment by: owd codger on 7th December 2023 at 18:14

See our JOLLEY friend from Spain has copied the image for his site Wigan Nostalgia AGAIN As he does for all the images on here AND then claims he found it.. What a TOSSPOT

Comment by: Veronica on 7th December 2023 at 18:32

Yes I noticed owd codger. He’s quick off the mark! I don’t visit that much. I am on an Art Group page on F/B so I do get notifications.

Comment by: Graham Taylor on 7th December 2023 at 21:22

Alan Jolley is bang out of order. Up to his old tricks of pinching photos from other sites and not giving acknowledgement to the source. He constantly does it from this site. I spent 3 months writing a story and Ron enhanced a photo for me. Jolley brazenly stole it and took all the credit. I messaged him over it and his reply was to ban me from Wigan Nostalgia. He has banned Ron Hunt as well. The man is a charlatan. I urge everyone to boycott Wigan Nostalgia. He runs the site from Spain and just pinches stuff.

Comment by: Andy Lomax on 7th December 2023 at 22:19

It was well organised by Peter from the Wigan Building Preservation Trust.

I had never heard or read any reference to a medieval toilet in the church tower. The restoration of the church in the 1840's changed the floor level which is now lower by perhaps 4 feet.

Comment by: Colin Traynor on 8th December 2023 at 08:22

Thanks Ron for that very interesting piece of information and the picture. There's no sign of a Medieval toilet brush, I hope that whoever used it last gave it a good cleaning?
From what I have just read I find those reports on THAT Alan Jolly person quite shocking. I have never been on that site and have no intention of doing so. Anyone who does should bring him to account for his blatant plagiarism.

Comment by: Veronica on 8th December 2023 at 09:32

Not all of the folk on there use photos from here. It’s just the one chap. The photos move along it’s not a site like this one where the photos stay archived. (As far as I know) plus there’s not much informed discussion as with this site I have to say. Mr Whelan always says where his photos come from and credits them.

Comment by: Colin Traynor on 8th December 2023 at 11:34

Ron / Andy, those tours by the Wigan Building Preservation Trust sound very interesting. Do you have to be a member to get on one?

Comment by: Dek on 8th December 2023 at 12:53

Some of these comments really put a smile on my face. A ‘medieval toilet’ in a church built in the 19th century?

Comment by: Mark on 8th December 2023 at 14:03

Dek - you should read carefully, before making snide comments.
Ron said it was in the TOWER. The rest of the church was restored/rebuilt in the mid 19th century, but much of the fabric of the tower dates to between the 13th and 16th century.

Comment by: owd codger on 8th December 2023 at 14:52

Dek as the old proverb states IT IS BETTER TO BE THOUGHT AN IDIOT THAN TO OPEN YOUR MOUTH AND PROVE IT...
I suggest you swat up on your Wigan History.. before making any further comments..

Comment by: Veronica on 8th December 2023 at 18:14

A photo sent by Eddie/Oz of himself with Father Christmas has been posted on Wigan Nostalgia by the photo snatcher! Item 27097

Comment by: Andy Lomax on 8th December 2023 at 19:29

Hi Colin,

We are a small concern with five trustees and two volunteers. We do bits & pieces but touring places etc is hardly a regular thing. At the moment our energy is going in to the disused chapels at Ince.

When we have something considerable, we'll open up communications with the social media networks and let folk know what's going on and potentially expand.

Cheers.

Comment by: RON HUNT on 8th December 2023 at 20:08

Should have mentioned that the tour was organised by the Wigan Building Preservation trust"?

Comment by: Tom on 9th December 2023 at 06:38

Andy did you smash the door down to get in ?

Comment by: Colin Traynor on 9th December 2023 at 12:00

Andy, thanks for the information apart from WW I don't indulge in Social Media but would welcome an email regarding the next event.
Those disused chapels in Ince are in a sad and sorry state I do not know what will become of them. if you take any interior pictures please post them.
I have a recent picture through the Keyhole of Grimes Arcade that also is a sorry sight to see and of the interior of the now closed off former Bank Chambers arcade in Wallgate lower down than the old General Post Office. There is still a sign on one of the doors for Ackerley Heaton & Pigot Solicitors!
I remember that arcade allowed access through to The Prince's Cinema and to the right of the Prince's there is an alleyway with a fine building in complete disrepair. I cannot find out the name of this alleyway but to the left of the dilapidated Cinema is the Clarence Yard.

Comment by: RON HUNT on 9th December 2023 at 12:37

Colin would that be BANKS CHAMBERS?

Comment by: Colin Traynor on 9th December 2023 at 13:02

Ron, Bank Chambers or Banks Chambers is my recollection, I asked in few of the adjacent properties but no one seemed to know.
Confusingly I think the old bank building at the top of Library Street / Wallgate opposite Spoons is also referred to as Bank Chambers!

Comment by: Tony L on 10th December 2023 at 08:37

Bank Chambers is the correct name for the passageway next to the old GPO, which leads down past the Princes to King St West.
As I recall, there was a notice over the passage when you entered from the Wallgate end, stating it was not a public right of way.
A shame to see the fine buildings down there in such a terrible state.

Comment by: Bill Aldridge on 12th December 2023 at 18:05

We identified the 'toilet' last year when we were carrying out a survey of the Tower for Peter Layland last Winter (Peter is researching the origins of the Church and Tower, hoping to complete his report early next year). We reported our activities in our Newsletters between February and May https://www.wiganarchsoc.co.uk/content/News_Letters/news257.htm https://www.wiganarchsoc.co.uk/content/News_Letters/news260.htm

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