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a very unusual picture of a midland 3f on the loop line,i personally never saw one before.

You never saw one because it isn't one.
This is a Fowler.

This looks like a Johnson 3F, not a Fowler.

It's a Fowler!

Never a Johnson.

This is an Aspinall, not a Fowler or Johnson...And it was based at the Branch.

If this Loco has the same NUMBER in Item 28863, then it's a Fowler. 44464 is an ex LMS 4F built to a MR design by FOWLER at Horwich and entered service in 1928. The engine was withdrawn from Carnforth shed in May 1964 and later broken up for scrap in August that same year at Central wagon Co, Ince.

Not an Aspinall, it's a FOWLER.

Garry stop stammering.
You're right.

That's an Aspinall tender. Look closely...

Not interested in the tender, it's the loco we're talking about, come on Jarvo admit defeat. I'm right! One more time it's a FOWLER.

Jarvo...what are we looking at???
Tenders did couple up to different locomotives of the same class.

It's got Joy valve gear, it can only be an Aspinall...

I can't help wondering what Julie would say about all this.

I can't help wondering why I bother!

Who's julie??

Well,at least no-one has suggested it's a PEAK.Deo gratias

its got a fowler coal rail tender

I think Bakers half baked. The tenders nothing to do with the make of the loco!!!

garry are you honestly suggesting that the tenders where made by a different designer /company to the engines.
your credibility on railway matters sinks lower and lower.

I think most of you are just simply guessing and playing at it. The real answer is Colin, he's the only one apart from myself, that makes sense.

garree your lack of railway knowledge amazes me,you don't seem to know a peak from a class 40 and the only non fowler engines to be associated with fowler tenders where stanier's jubilees.please stop posting on a subject your not familiar with.

Half-baker, it took you Four days to reply on this post and all you do is make a complete fool of yourself.
The only time you ever comment is about me!.
You need to take a good look at yourself, I believe I'm right so is Colin. Now stop this nonsense.

This appears to be turning into The Itchy and Scratchy show. Keep it up lads, I think it's great.

I do believe Garry is correct after all. But that valve gear has got me thinking. Baker should stick to his Locoshed. But they weren't always up to date.

The lack of steam knowledge by some is laughable and embarrassing. Please stop making guesses if you are not sure of what the engines are you make it hard work for the novices who are willing to be educated. Jarvo, it is quite clear to all of your limited knowledge on the subject, guess work at best. Please refrain from this embarrassing way of making a fool of yourself. Well done to Colin for his in-depth research, most commendable.

Firemon: Colin is using a very good website that I sometimes explore to get his facts. You didn't think he knew that, did you? By the way, I am quite up on this subject; my comments can be found on most loco pics on WW. Were you really a proper firemon?

Hey,Garry we may not know the facts, though you can be so insulting mate!!!

ok everone knows more than me,its a Johnson designed loco from possibly as early as 1885 ,though deeley did vary on Johnson's design in 1906.
colin sorry to disappoint but its not a 4f,its chimney is too tall look at the photo of 44464 with the squat 4f chimney

garry most days I'm not on here then perhaps thas why I did not reply to your half baked comments ha ha.on blowing the pic up its not got the br totem and it looks like larger than br numbers on its cabside.it could be an early fifties pic.springs branch according to my three ian allens of the fifties did not have an allocation of 3f's,a midland design.it stuck to the tried and tested? lnwr g1's and 2's for very heavy haulage.if your wondering where I got my info from my late friend ex gcr lower ince and springs branch driver owen Goulding and my mother's uncle the late tommy anglesea also a springs branch driver.

Jarvo is correct, I use web sites and books about railways and other things in general. After saying that, I like reading Jarvo's comments about railways and who his self is very knowledgeable. Ta.

The Aspinall L&Y goods had round spectacle plates, this loco hasn't. I believe this is a Deeley Midland 3F. everything about it, including the tender fits.

Thank you, Colin. And I enjoy your posts as well.

I beg to differ with you all it is a Fowler.