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This is New Hall, not Garswood Hall and
isn't even in Garswood!

Tonker!

Kenee. Where's New Hall, and where's Garswood?

It looks like Garwood Hall, here. lostheritage.org.uk/houses/lh_lancashire_garswoodhall_info_gallery.html

Garswood is the second station on the Liverpool line from
Wigan North Western Albert.
New Hall (demolished 1921) was on the boundary between Ashton and Haydock. Garswood Hall (demolished early 19thC) was somewhere in the Garswood Road, Arch Lane area.

This building known as Garswood Hall was on the land that is now Ashton-in-Makerfield golf course and was the home of Lord Gerard

Definately agree with Carol AND the inscription on the postcard.

Used to play there, before golf course moved there, and before motorway had been built. There was a superb hollow tree: you could climb inside, and be completely concealed, room for three or four kids.

P O W camp ?? in war/40's

Yes, but the camp was closer to the Warrington Road side of the grounds: there is an areal photograph of it somewhere on this site. (It is not in places, but one of the thread postings)

Ron put another pic of the hall up in 2008 - item 1134. Comments say its official title was New Hall.
It was a Red Cross Auxiliary Hospital in WW1, but the family (the Gerards) probably never reoccupied it fully post-war, and it was demolished in the early 20s.
The grounds held an Italian and German PoW camp in WW2 - Bert Trautmann was its most famous prisoner according to many sources.
The park was also used by American troops training for the D-Day landings.

Rev. David. Long. Thank you for that info Rev, this brings us back to Kenee and the location of the true Garswood Hall.I was born in Simms lane end Garswood and remember my grandfather telling me about a large building called Garswood Hall near arch lane Garswood road,if you follow this old road it will bring you out in carmil woods St Helens near the Dam.

When my dad worked at Stones pit, they took the coal from the Hall pillars. This would be after the hall was demolished. I was also told that the stonework from the demolished building was incorporated in the construction of St. Oswald's Church, but I cant be sure of this

the road/path in the picture is still there, it's the pathway running through the golf course. The foundations of the hall are under 9th or 10th fairway

There are no photos of Garswood Hall, it was demolished before the age of photography. New Hall was built about a mile and a half away. Before it became a golf course it was shown on maps as New Hall Wood.

My grandfather, Lewis Pardey, was the land agent for Lord Gerard. It was always known in our family as Garswood Hall. My grandfather lived in Park House in Ashton and retired to Oak Crest which I think is on the former Garswood Estate - I remember it asa child as being surrounded by parkland with a lake but I think it is now in the middle of the housing estate. We have a large carved eagle which came from the Emperor's Rooms in Garswood Hall when Napoleon III stayed in the mid 19th century. It is recorded in the 1921 sale of the contents by Knight Frank Rutley in 1921.

Garswood Hall was located between Liverpool Road (as of today) and Carr Mill Dam, off Garswood Old Road. An entrance to Garswood Hall is still there, next to Wiswall's farm, on the bend in Liverpool Road, close to the East Lancs Road. New Hall belonges to the Landers before one of the Gerards bought it. It wasn't 'The Gerard Family Home' as you seem to think. It belonged to ONE of the Gerards.

Perhaps someone here could help me figure this out. I have a brick wall in my family tree regarding this area. The family story is that my 3x great-grandma, Eliza, was "slow" and worked as a live in servant at a manor house in Rose Hill in Bryn. One night the son of the lord of the manor knocked on her door, and by today's standards, at least, raped her (I don't think she was mentally capable of consent, although I'm not really sure how bad off she was). She went on to have my 2x great-grandma, Ruth. Ruth was born 18 May 1851, so she would have been conceived around August of 1850.

Nobody has any idea who the man in question was. I'm not exaggerating when I say that descendants of hers have been trying to figure it out for decades. I don't know how true or accurate any of it is (although she was "slow" because she was listed as an "imbecile" on one of the censuses), but can anyone name some possibilities if it was, indeed, a manor house? I'm in Canada and I've tried looking up Rose Hill and Bryn on the map, but it doesn't tell me much.

To my mind the big house on the was on what now called a Ashton Golf Club and was situated on the 11th fairway and the 12 fairway which incorporated the then orchard there are still some fruit trees in this area hence the 12th is known as the orchard there is much on the site if you know where to look.