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90233 Hindley
90233 Hindley
Photo: Richard Long
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Item #: 27888
90233 At Hindley No. 2 Signal Box 27/08/64

Comment by: Jarvo on 18th May 2016 at 08:48

The signals indicate that this train has just left the Pemberton Loop and will probably be bound for Wakefield with 'empties' from Liverpool. The train is hauled by an Austerity 2-10-0; we knew them as Dub D's. The Westwood cooling towers can be clearly seen on the left in the background. Great photograph.

Comment by: Garry on 18th May 2016 at 14:26

WD/8 90233 cut up 31/12/1967 last shed Wakefield.

Comment by: baker on 19th May 2016 at 09:53

when I lived alongside the pemberton loop line in the fifties,I had every wakefield austerity in my book

Comment by: John Morris on 19th May 2016 at 14:15

Jarvo this is a 2-8-0 WD Nos. 90000 to 90732 were all 2-8-0s The 2-10-0s were numbered 90750 to 90774. They were a pig to photograph because the front end "chuntered" from side to side a lot, you needed good weather and a camera with a fast shutter speed! I liked them though.

Comment by: Garry on 19th May 2016 at 17:29

Jarvo could be thinking it's a 9F.

Comment by: Jarvo on 19th May 2016 at 19:15

I liked the Dub D's as well. And they did sway a bit at the front. They took a load of stick, but did a great job. However, my favs were the Crabs; a well liked engine by many crews and always on show at the Branch.

Comment by: baker on 22nd May 2016 at 13:15

the reason for the shuttling was poor wheel balancingand it only happened when coasting ,when steam was supplied they where ok,but the usual coal for these engines was poor quality or the dreaded egglets.coal picking on the pemb loop line and you could find any number of egglets.they stung your eyes when they went on the fire if you got too close.

Comment by: Garry on 22nd May 2016 at 19:40

It's simple, these engines were made cheap and quickly during the second world war, nothing fancy just basic.

Comment by: Albert. on 24th May 2016 at 10:49

Gerry. Weren't they usually called utilities. Used to see quite a few of them, at Springs Branch, after the 2nd world war.

Comment by: Garry on 24th May 2016 at 17:02

I'm not too sure, Albert. WD 8 Austerity mainly used for heavy freight during and after the 2nd world war until the end of steam in 1968. As I've said earlier, a cheap basic engine with no frills.

Comment by: Jarvo on 25th May 2016 at 07:59

Robin Riddles designed these workhorses. They did their job and more. They were regular on the Pem Loop during the mid to late sixties.

Comment by: George McKie on 26th May 2016 at 08:42

These were austerity locos 2-8-0 locos designed by ROBERT Riddles who actually designed most of the post war BR locos.They were introduced in 1943 by the Ministry of Supply and passed to BR in 1948.Their power was classed as 8F and their tractive effort was 34215lbs the same as the 2-10-0 version.The 2-8-0 locos were built at Glasgow(545) and Vulcan foundary Newton Le Willows (390)There were 150 2-10-0 built in Glasgow by North Britsh. Many 2-8-0 saw service abroad, before being repatriated. The 2-10-0 had a lighter axle loading that made it better for use on secondary lines.

Comment by: Garry on 26th May 2016 at 13:46

Isn't GOOGLE good for information!

Comment by: Garry on 26th May 2016 at 16:58

Robert Arthur "Robin" Riddles. His full name.

Comment by: Jarvo on 26th May 2016 at 19:49

Robin Riddles was Stanier's assistant at Crewe during the thirties. Robin later designed the 9F's. Robin and Stanier would often board overnight locos travelling from Euston to Glasgow to chat to engine crews and observe their ways of driving. This was excellent for future design and development purposes. They were both true gentlemen and very popular with all LMS drivers and firemen.

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