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that's not a class 40,its a peak which where much more powerful than the woeful class 40

Definitely a class 40.

Defiantly not a class 40 as the number says it is a class45
any body that knows any thing about locos will have spotted that the nose is shorter and the gill is different on the body side just to name two differences

It's a class 40.

Not a Class 40. Compare it with Ron's other pic which IS a Class 40! Where's Cullie???

This Loco is a 45 class, built at Darby works 1960-62. They were known as the Sulzer type 4.

The Peaks were 44-46 a much more powerful loco than the one illustrated on here. I think Colin has got it right.

Class 45

Being totally ignorant on this subject, am amazed that there can be different comments when the engine no. is specified.

It IS a class 44 Peak and back in me train spotting days, which was after the steam era had finished, the holy grail in terms of train spotting, was to get (spot) D1 (Scafell Pike) which became 44001 and the first ten loco's of this class, were named after places in the lake district and one fine day I managed to spot nearly all of the first ten class 44 locos, at the Toton rail works near Derby.

Train spotting days or not, it's a class 40.

Spent many years as a train-spotting anorak in the seventies. It's a "Peak" NOT a "Big D" Class 40.

Good god, how sad, have you heard yourselves?

It's a class 45

It's a Peak (class 45).

Garry: If you look at a class 40 (type 4), it has got a longer front (nose). This loco has a shorter nose. And Stuart is absolutely correct.

This has really got all the middle-aged ex-trainspotters going! I have dug out my old Ian Allen 1974 Combine. Assuming this IS 45077, then it is what we called a "peak" - the Combine says it had a 12-cyl Sulzer engine, delivering 2500bhp and max tractive effort 70,000lb. In comparison, the class 40 (known as a "big D") had an English Electric 16cyl engine, delivering 2000bhp and max tractive effort of 52,000lb.

Peak is just a nickname nothing eles.

Peak isn't a nickname, it was actually the name of the class. Introduced in 1959 (lCo-Col"4")the first ten locos, D1 to D10, were named after actual British Peaks. These were rare around the Wigan area, but by then steam had been completely eradicated so I didn't really mind. I was never a diesel man, ever.

Thank god for Wiki, eh Jarvo.

Masher,Jarvo does know about the railways. Let's be fair

Just to clarify the position, so there is no confusion, there were three classes of 'Peaks' class 44, class 45 and class 46

There were 10 class 44's built and these were the named 'Peaks' which were


D1 or 44001 Scafell Pike
D2 or 44002 Helvellyn
D3 or 44003 Skiddaw
D4 or 44004 Great Gable
D5 or 44005 Cross Fell
D6 or 44006 Whernside
D7 or 44007 Ingleborough
D8 or 44008 Penyghent
D9 or 44009 Snowdon
D10 or 44010 Tryfan

Two class 44's have been preserved

D4 or 44004 Great Gable - which is preserved at 'Midland Rail Butterley'

D8 or 44008 Penyghent - which is preserved at 'Peak Rail'

Wiki? Nooooo...I have my 1960 Ian Allan Combined Volume with me at all times. It's my bible.

I can see you're not a diesel man Jarvo, but I am, along with steam. Peak is just a nickname that was given to them.

Never heard of a Sulzer type 4 that Colin Harlow has mensioned.

Pw no he doesn't, he's a person who exploits any opportunity to further his own ends in other words a chancer, same with the music stuff he posts all from Wiki I'm afraid.

All my comments are my own and this is my opinion. If you disagree, that's fine, but make your own case of it. I do not further my own ends on here, for what reason? It would be interesting to hear Masher (lol) put his/her views down in writing. It's easy to criticise, but put down valid reasons for doing so, not vitriolic remarks to the contrary.

My memory must be fading faster than I thought! Here's me thinking I was working on class 40s back in the 60s, 70s & 80s but according to Garry I was doing nothing of the sort!!!

just to set the record streight this indeed a CLASS 45 (PEAK)so all you who say its a class 40 should go to specsavers. its an insult to put a sulzer loco in the same catagory as a ENGLISH ELECTRIC BEAST .

There's only one beast and that's a 2-10-0 Evening Star with a full load of passenger coaches climbing a bank in full steam. The smell, the sight, the noise...do I need to carry on!!

Cullie this is how you spell Straight.

Garry, this is how you spell 'swear'.

See your Casino post.

These facts about trains are killing wigan world fact.

Garry, it is mentioned not MENSIONED.It is a class 45

the fire continues to burn.
this diesel is not a brush sulzer type four they where the class 47 diesels with a 2750 hp output its a peak with a 200hp engine.i am not a paraffin can fan and even I know the difference.
class 40's where taken off wcml express duties as soon as something with some backbone came on the scene.
they could not make it over shap with comfort with more than twelve bogies on its tail.

Iv'e had enough..it's a class 40, peak is just a nickname and thats that.

garry have you heard the saying empty vessels make more noise this is you. its a class 45 end of debate

Only in your opinion Cullie.

garry did you ever have any interest or work in transport/railway industries.
I think your just trying to wind us up ,just like the old clockwork Hornby dublo train sets.

Never thought I would so interested in the comments of others on a subject I know nowt about. I leave taking that this is a Class 45 Peak, but unsure if Peak was just a nickname as Garry suggest.

Well if I am winding you up it's working.
I am very keen and interested in Railways and road transport. They have been part of my working life, now I am retired. Thanks Baker Boy, I don't intend to wind people up, but if I believe I'm right, I stick at it!

It is a peak but surely all class names are unofficial..probably worked the freightliner for heysham when Britannia bridge was closed 80s. Names???....pom poms. Austin7s. Crabs. Chicken sheds. Coffee pots. Semi. Jinty. Lucky it wasn't a winnied niner..ta for entertainment all! By the way I didn't die!

Gary you can stick to your opinion as long as you want but take it from some oh did 42 years as a fitter on the railways you will never turn the above picture of a class 45 into a class 40 should have gone to SPECK SAVERS springs to mind.

It is a peak but surely all class names are unofficial..probably worked the freightliner for heysham when Britannia bridge was closed 80s. Names???....pom poms. Austin7s. Crabs. Chicken sheds. Coffee pots. Semi. Jinty. Lucky it wasn't a winnied niner..ta for entertainment all! By the way I didn't die!

For the record...duke of gloss was a monumental failure..choked and starved...men booked sick at Crewe rather than work her on the Perth..type four. Always known as big DS in Wigan had reputation for world class switchgear and sounded better than hawkwind under load....fly shunting spoil wagons on once moss tip was a sign how good loco driver and Vulcan knew their trade..

Best to just ignore, Garry. He's no better than - a troll.

That's just it, none of you ignore me LOL hahaha.

Garry,How old do you reckon you will be when you grow up ?
You have made yourself sound a right idiot on WW

You again Wiganer, I wondered how long it would take you to have a dig at me, Your as bad as the rest of them.
This is a SULZER loco Nickname PEAK. These were Derby built class 44 and ran on the PEAK railway in Darbyshire.

WIGANER, how as Gary made himself look a right idiot???
He says, "if he thinks he's right he'll sick to it". I don't think it's Gary who's the idiot on here, there's a few contenders above. Some of you are really rude.

For the record...duke of gloss was a monumental failure..choked and starved...men booked sick at Crewe rather than work her on the Perth..type four. Always known as big DS in Wigan had reputation for world class switchgear and sounded better than hawkwind under load....fly shunting spoil wagons on once moss tip was a sign how good loco driver and Vulcan knew their trade..

Great to hear old 8f voices on here!big help when I had to face my F exam south Manx,many lads mix up the two classes but they never enjoyed the pleasure of re.bogieing 1co co1 by hand at the branch!pinch bars and shoulders.bless all!

It`s time Garry thought twice before typing and also check his spelling. It`s DERBYSHIRE.

I wondered how long it would be before you jumped on the band wagon, Pyke.

Garry, how low can you go to insult Ernest who does know about engineering.You are troll and have made yourself look like a complete fool. Is it a class 40 or a class 44 ? Make your mind up.It is a Class45!

I'll tell you what!!! it's a class 43 1/2 . Whose bothered AW.

I suppose a lot of information can be gathered from.https://www.google.co.uk/?gws_rd=ssl#q=rail+engine+class+40

Garry, Not knowing about this subject, I am intrigued and greatly interested as to why this is a Class 40 , in your eyes , as opposed to others who swear blind it is a Class 45? My question is, was the the Class 40 upgraded to the 45 for effiencency or other reasons? if there was no kind of mechanical upgrade then maybe Garry had a point . What was the difference? I mention again to those that know , I stand only as a bystander showing interest with a willingness to learn.

Kas the point is no one really knows what it is. My point is the word "Peak" Once again PEAK is just a nickname. The class is unimportant.

Cheers Garry

garry you now say the class is unimportant,so why did you post its a class 40 when you know full well its not.

Ha ha.
.got you all
.round buffers....40 class were oval...one freight one pass.

It has gone below the radar Garry.You got away with your comments.

Aw....has this stopped? I was thoroughly enjoying it.

Yes stopped for good, from now I'm only going to comment on Photo a Day.